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November 11, 2013 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #1024304rationalfrummieMember
DY: funny that a non-Halacha related article of clothing is so ubiquitous and even defines halachically meticulous communities by said clothing (‘black hat’ communities)?
November 12, 2013 12:25 am at 12:25 am #1024305Anonymous1000Participantrational frummie – virtually every gadol wears some kind of black hat or strimel.
November 12, 2013 6:10 am at 6:10 am #1024306☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantRf, it would have to be that way. Tzitzis can’t define a specific frum community precisely because it is halachic, so all from communities wear them.
November 12, 2013 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #1024307☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAs another example, Dati Leumi communities, even those which are meticulous in Halacha, define themselves (to borrow your term) by wearing kippot srugot, though the color and material of a kippah is non halachic.
November 12, 2013 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #1024308Sam2ParticipantDY: Your point stands, but it is much more common to find “black hatters” accepted in Srugi communities and not vice versa, especially in Eretz Yisrael.
November 13, 2013 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1024309RedlegParticipantIt’s not what’s on your head that means anything. It’s what’s in your head that counts.
July 9, 2014 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1024311Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Yet Rav Chaim Kannievsky says it’s better to daven biyechidus then without a hat and jacket”
“I still don’t believe R’ Chaim said that. And if he did, he meant in a community where not wearing a hat and jacket would be considered not being properly dressed for Davening. He didn’t mean somewhere where not wearing a hat is considered tolerable/acceptable.”
Sheailas Rav Chelek 2 6:95
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This doesn’t necessarily mean that your chiluk is not true – I’m just giving the source that R’ Chaim Kanievski said it.
July 10, 2014 2:42 am at 2:42 am #1024312Binyamin2711ParticipantI got rejected from some yeshiva not going to mention but mainly because I did not wear a hat for the faher. I gave a wild chaburah and did very well but because of this ‘HAT’ I got rejected , people have to look beyond the hat these days. There are so many bums I know who would never take off their hat and don’t know a famous Rambam or how to lein up a gemara and are just baal gaayvos for no reason. This whole situation has to be fixed somehow BH
July 23, 2014 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #1024313mordernMemberJuly 23, 2014 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1024314Sam2Participantmordern: I refuse to believe that R’ Avigdor Miller claimed that a social statement (with potential Halachic Nafka Minos) is as important as being M’kayeim one of the most important Aseis D’oraisa (which makes you a M’kayeim Asei B’gufo).
July 23, 2014 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #1024315charliehallParticipant” virtually every gadol wears some kind of black hat or strimel.”
Dati gedolim mostly don’t, as previously mentioned.
July 23, 2014 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #1024316Patur Aval AssurParticipantDid he say that you have to say shecheyanu for doing a mitzvah for the first time?
(Agav, is there any particular reason why people don’t wear hats before their Bar Mitzvah?)
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