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You hear that Meno? (Or is this one of those funny things you were talking about?)
I didn’t make up that funny example myself. I saw it in the Mishnah Berurah. The Mishnah Berurah uses that example regarding the issue of covering your head for mentioning Hashem’s name in general, not
specifically for bentching or davening. It’s clearly two separate issues.I know these things because I actually looked in the Mishnah Berurah, rather than listing sources that I saw in a footnote or forum somewhere without seeing it inside.
Can anyone explain what this discussion has to d with small brim vs. big brim? Or is that too logical?
Mishneh Berurah (91,10) in the name of the Bach covering with the hand is no good because it is part of the body but the sleeve is ok.
“The Mishnah Berurah uses that example regarding the issue of covering your head for mentioning Hashem’s name in general, not specifically for bentching or davening. It’s clearly two separate issues.”
How are you separating them? You obviously say Hashem’s name during davening and bentching. If you need it in general for Hashem’s name, kal vachomer for davening/bentching.
Joseph,
I honestly don’t understand what you just said, but I’ll spell it out for you anyway:You are not allowed to say Hashem’s name with your head uncovered. The M”B in 91:10 says that your shirt sleeve is an acceptable covering for this purpose.
The M”B in 91:12 says that for davening, one must wear a hat like he would wear when walking in the street or meeting with an important person, and that the small hat that is commonly worn under one’s hat is not sufficient (some have interpreted this to mean that two coverings are required, but as I stated before, I don’t hear it).
Just look in the Mishnah Berurah. This is all very clear.
The question is if we need a brim or hat at all? There is a joke where someone goes to an eye doctor who asks him can you see the plaque on the wall? The man asks, what wall? We must know there is a wall before we can see the plaque similarly before we talk about a brim we must know if we need a hat.
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