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  • #2185786
    yechiell
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    Regarding Biden’s age, ahem, has anyone checked Trump’s age? he ain’t far behind, if you open your eyes and look.
    And who seems more physically fit, a trim , agile president, or a bloated , fat wannabe president?

    #2185860
    jackk
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    Trump is 3 years 6 months and 21 days younger than Biden.
    That is it.

    Republican’s focus on age is a pretext.
    Their focus on imaginary dementia is a bald-faced lie.

    Who would have thought that Republican’s are going to nominate an indicted criminal, who will probably be a convicted criminal by election day, for President?

    #2185868

    There is such thing as biological age as people age differently..it can be measured via telomer length. Look it up

    We all probably saw the difference between people in their 80s recalling gemora by page and those who struggle to use the TV clicker

    #2185884
    AviraDeArah
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    Biden is visibly in mental decline; it’s not just Republicans who had said so. He seems unsure of himself when he speaks, makes more gaffes thab when he was younger, and only accepts pre screened questions from staff. He has very low energy, but average or perhaps even above average for a person his age.

    I agree that conservatives tend to upplay his condition, saying that he has full on dementia or belongs in a nursing home; i don’t see that. But i do not see a person with sharp faculties either.

    Trump, however, is full of energy; whether you like him and his policies or not, he talks just as sharp as he did 20 years ago.

    #2185885
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Yechiel,

    Bad comparison. Age doesn’t make people less self-centered.

    #2186067

    I don’t think age is a problem for Biden. He was in the same state of mind for many decades – when he “quoted” Kinnock without attribution, when he proposed insane solutions for Iraq and in most other times.

    #2186071
    yechiell
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    who said anything about being self-centered?

    #2186099
    Lostspark
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    Even the young left admit Biden is fried. Making excuses for your puppet makes you left of even the young left, there’s nothing more embarrassing to me than an aging leftist.

    #2186159
    huju
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    Trump’s age is not the problem. It is his rank, overwhelming stupidity.

    #2186160
    Reb Eliezer
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    It is not age that makes the difference but thinking that you know everything and fire the best advisors or force them to resign like Trump. The Midrash Shmuel explains that the greatness of the Beis Hilel was that they wanted to hear the view of the Beis Shamai first before deciding a halacha.

    #2186199
    yechiell
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    lotspar – ” there’s nothing more embarrassing to me than an aging leftist.”
    and an aging ‘rightist’ is ok with you.
    how about an aging ‘rightist’ who invites to dinner ne-nazis? that’s ok with you?

    #2186200
    yechiell
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    lotspar – ” there’s nothing more embarrassing to me than an aging leftist.”
    and an aging ‘rightist’ is ok with you.
    how about an aging ‘rightist’ who invites to dinner neo-nazis? that’s ok with you?

    #2186221
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Torah says to honor age as we gain life experiences through age. The smart person can gain it also through knowledge by learning from other’s experiences.

    #2186280
    provaxx
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    If you vote for Biden think about this – what if halfway through his term he dies or is disabled, Kamala Harris will be President!

    #2186294
    jackk
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    provaxx,
    That is correct since he has committed to keep her as VP.
    But does anybody vote for a president expecting him/her to die or be disabled in office?
    What do you see as terrible if she becomes the president?

    #2186322
    GadolHadofi
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    jackkk,

    It would be terrible since unbelievably, there is actually someone more mentally challenged than the current brainless, incontinent, mush-eating occupant of the oval geriatric ward. Here’s just the latest from the horse-faced, hyena-laughing, word-salad spewing dolt, copied from whitehouse.gov:

    “So I think it’s very important — as you have heard from so many incredible leaders — for us, at every moment in time, and certainly this one, to see the moment in time in which we exist and are present, and to be able to contextualize it, to understand where we exist in the history and in the moment as it relates not only to the past, but the future.”

    Wow, that really inspires and builds confidence, doesn’t it?

    #2186335
    jackk
    Participant

    Gadol Hadofi,

    Regarding Biden , I don’t understand where you are coming from. The right wing media enjoys laughing at Biden’s expense and there is even a whole section of the right wing media dedicated to catching Biden in slips and taking videos completely out of context, but it is all a lie.
    They know it is a lie. They know that he is functioning with complete competence 24 hours a day as President.

    It is the fox news and other right wing media rule of “We do not report the truth. We report what our viewers want to hear.”

    You did the exact same thing with Harris’s 20 minute speech and about 2525 words. You took one paragraph out of context and tried to make believe it doesn’t build confidence.
    The quote is gold. It is wordy, but so what. She was making a speech.
    Listen to her whole speech.
    You can disagree with it. As frum Jews we definitely have issues with it, since it was remarks by Vice President Harris at a Political Event on Reproductive Rights.

    By the way, I can destroy Trump’s way of speaking every time he opens his mouth at a rally.
    Bottom line, not a reason to be afraid of her as a President.

    #2186343
    GadolHadofi
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    jackkk,

    Despite the best efforts of her handlers, every time this stupid dolt opens her mouth, wilted word salad spews out. She is dumber than a box of hammers and doesn’t belong anywhere near the levers of power.

    #2186378

    > What do you see as terrible if she becomes the president?

    She is the person who quit the primary while on track to have support of 1% Dems. And it was in line with her qualifications, not because of some controversy.

    #2186386

    Jackk> he is functioning with complete competence 24 hours a day as President.

    24 hour is a poetic license – except morning, late afternoons, and weekends. For exampe, during some Congress flare-up, Sen Manchin got offended by something coming out of WH on Friday and then discussed the problems “with the WH” (sic!) who continued sending bad messages, until Mr Biden showed up himself on Monday and they had a discussion that calmed things down. So, the President was not available even for a phone call over whole weekend.

    #2186388

    RebE: firing people – bad

    It is not. See the administration where best minds were shown to be clueless during Afghanistan exit. Nobody was fired and the same Nobody developed a great strategy how to convince Putin not to attack by not offending him by an early reaction and giving him a stern warning … Maybe firing those inkens and livans and getting someone like Bolton on board would have prevented the events.

    #2186482
    provaxx
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    jackk –
    In 1944 a lot of people realized that FDR would likely not survive and were carefully scrutinizing his running mate (Harry Truman)
    My problem with Harris is not whether she’s smart or dumb; she’s radical left.

    #2186585
    Reb Eliezer
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    Similarly, thinking America can do everything by itself and almost breaking up NATO is not a good idea.

    #2186873

    RebE, somehow your wisdom and clear thinking abandon you when it comes to politics. Maybe a home-based TDS test? T insisted that NATO actually do defense; Europe not using Russian gas and Chinese telecom. Eventually, they came to that, sort of… You don’t like how he phrased it? I see why, but that does not change the essence.

    #2187176
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    From Wikipedia:

    United States

    Donald Trump expressed interest in withdrawing from the organization during his 2016 presidential campaign. However, after he was inaugurated in 2017, he stated that the United States would protect allies in the event that Article V is invoked.[70][71][72] Nevertheless, the New York Times reported in 2019 that a year earlier, he had already mentioned several times privately that he wanted the United States to leave NATO due to many members not paying the required 2% of GDP funding.[73] Such concerns led the House of Representatives in January 2019, to pass the NATO Support Act (H.R. 676), confirming Congress’ support for NATO and prohibiting Trump from potentially withdrawing from NATO.[74] On December 11, 2019, the Senate’s Foreign Relations Committee passed a bill to be put in front of Congress which would require congressional approval for American withdrawal from NATO.[75][76]

    Polling conducted by Pew Research Center in 2017, said that 62% of Americans are favorable to NATO compared to 23% who are not favorable. In terms of voters, over three-quarters of Democrats are favorable with just 48% of Republicans favorable. Also they said that a plurality of those surveyed, 47% said NATO does too little globally.[14] In further polling in 2019 on the eve of the 70th anniversary of NATO’s founding, 77% of Americans say being a member of NATO is good for the United States.[77]

    While both major parties support NATO membership,[78] all the major third parties including the Green Party,[79] the Libertarian Party,[80] and the Constitution Party[81] support withdrawing the United States from NATO.

    #2187177
    Reb Eliezer
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    It is beneficial for the US to be part of NATO whether the others are paying the 2% or not.

    #2187214
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    The US being in NATO keeps peace in the region

    #2187226

    RebE,
    read up on NATO currently trying to re-organize back into a defense alliance, exactly what T was asking them. See, for example, below. now, does it mean I know what he’ll do re:NATO in his next term, no I don’t. But it does not mean we should distort the record.

    Jens Stoltenberg 2019
    And your leadership on defense spending is having a real impact. Since 2016, Canada and European allies have added $130 billion more to the defense budgets, and this number will increase to 400 billion U.S. dollars by 2024.

    Q What do you think about President Macron’s criticism about NATO, saying that it is “brain dead”?PRESIDENT TRUMP: Who said that?
    Q President Macron.

    PRESIDENT TRUMP: .. Now, NATO serves a great purpose. It got to be unfair for the United States because the United States was paying a disproportionate amount. … I think that’s very insulting to a lot of different forces, including the man that does a very good job in running NATO.
    No, it has a great purpose, especially with the fact that NATO is becoming much more flexible, in terms of what it looks at.

    #2187257
    n0mesorah
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    Does anybody think that Joe Biden would have been a great president, but now he is too old for the job? If not, what is the point?

    Is everybody so wimpy that they can’t say what they think about politicians?

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