Biden omits the word ‘God’ from national prayer declaration

I’m more surprised that you are surprised at this point.

I’m sure there will plenty of CR frequenters that will be willing to defend this as well.

Lakewhut,

Good point, why hasn’t Ywn put out an article about that?

My only other answer to the editor being a closet liberal is that it wasn’t on AP and the editor wasn’t interested in doing the work to get information from other sources (which was done in the past)

When devout Catholic Joe Biden refers to G-d, he is referring to “the father, the son, and the holy ghost.” Is it good for the Jews for a US president to do that? Hashem does not need the support of any Earthly political leaders. Do you?

The point is irrelevant, laughable and ludicrous.

Besides the point being stupid, in a video message commemorating the National Day of Prayer, Biden said: “By the grace of God and the extraordinary work of researches and scientists, we have vaccines that have proven to be safe and effective … Thank you for your prayers and may God Bless you and all those you love and are concerned about on this day and every day.”

FYI, G-D was mentioned in the declaration, just not the real One that we pray to. At the end, Biden writes that this proclamation was signed in “the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-one.”

Maybe we can now see the gadlus of Chazal when they left Hashem’s name out of the Megillah which was a Persian Public Document.

One who is convinced that Biden does not have a deeply religious side, does not worship The God That Is Truth.

random realization: there were 2 catholic presidents–one was the youngest , the other the oldest.

Dear Dov Rosenbaum,

There are a lot greater evils than abortion on demand.

It is really weird to me, that you will twist someone who had a deep experience with religion and twist it into something useless to fit a political outlook.

My God transcends all my political positions.

n0mesora: If someone (ie Biden on abortion) supports evil which isn’t the greatest evil, he’s okay for being evil or supporting evil since there’s another greater evil he perhaps isn’t necessarily supporting?

the story I liked about Biden & religion (hope it is true, and not lifted from Kinnock): a nun made fun of his stuttering. His mother came to school and kicked the nun’s bonnet off suggesting she does not do it any more. This might explain, if not excuse, his expected stifling of religious schools from all his handouts.

Dear Dov Rosenbaum,

Abortion on demand is a value of life question. Truthfully speaking, Joe Biden knows an awful lot about losing our on life. He is not pro abortion. He thinks it is not the State’s place to force proper values on the people. Just so you should know.

But my real point was, That someone who believes that abortion is a great took for society to control population or add more liberties or some other stupid reason, is not on the same par as a gangster who destroys an entire village just to set an example. Or someone who just randomly kills people of a certain ethnicity. Or aforces his countrymen into a bloody civil war. I could go on and on and on. There is a lot of real evil in our day.

Thank Hashem that the biggest debates around our pro life values, are only a measly pandemic and abortion.

n0mesorah – I don’t know whether we can read their psychos correctly. Again, take into account that Biden is more polished. He is a politician. That is all he ever did. He does not need to run after cameras and tweet, they respectfully come to him. Trump had to fight for the spotlight even when he was a president. Yes, he had personal tragedies. He needs to be respected for that. And yes, he is willing to say what is needed to get elected or achieve his other political goals.

One sign of who the person truly is – is what the person does when he has a free choice, that is he is not benefitting from what he says or does. That is why it was sad, but instructive, to hear Biden and others disparaging Trump’s vaccine efforts. He would not lose much by acknowledging what was done, but he did not. Well, maybe I underestimate what the left-wingers would say, I don’t know.

Another siman – look at the children = they follow parents and often lack skills to pretend like parents do. Biden’s 50% good, 50% bad. Happens. Trump seems to have at least one very bright, 2 reasonable good and active, and two seemingly pareve. The latter can not be by chance. The guy has to have some values. Or maybe some of his wives.

Another siman – what we do not know. I am amazed that all investigations did not damage Trump (so far). To be in NY real estate business and then have FBI, NYT and other 3-letter agencies after me for years – and nothing criminal so far, just minor infractions? Should be presumed a tzadik gamur until proven otherwise in the court of law. What would a similar effort show on Biden, given that he was not involved in (legal) business, who knows.

Dear Always,

Your comments seem to be post truth.

The man with all the odd missspeaks, is now polished?

Biden has been more in front of the cameras than Trump? Which one sad a publicity contest? Which one was a tv host for a dozen years?

Trump had to compete for cameras when he was President? Of course, with the super bowl. All tv ratings plummeted once Trump was out of the picture.

Biden’s personal tragedies, are easy to see through to his core. This is blatant reality. Maybe you just did not pay attention.

Biden did not run on the religious card.

Look at the children. If you say so. Maybe look at the parenting. Or the Russian Nanny.

Hunter Biden had brain trauma as a toddler.

No idea how Trump’s children appear good to you. Please do not be a sucker for branding.

And then you tangle off what you should know, but has to be slowly teased out with due process.like your entire worldview is to share theoreticals around what could not be disproven.

Trump’s businesses have been exposed as corrupt long before he ran for office. The scale he operated on, is just about unprecedented. Just look at his most recent CPAC.

In business, the CEO gets charged with the company’s infractions. In government, the one who actually violated the law gets prosecuted. That is why these is always a fall guy. Until there are recordings. Like Watergate.

The distinction between Biden and the majority of public figures when it comes to deep convictions – especially when it comes to the meaning of life – is very very discoverable. I have no idea what is the incentive to fog up a clear window?

I am not at all insinuating that this makes him a good President. For all I know, we would be better off with a non-believer.

And Serbia is considered Clinton’s worst foreign policy failure. Even worse than Oslo and Iraq.

Dear Huju,

The anti abortion crowd is not adverse to abortion for medical reasons. I found your wording rather odd.

God, Islamic terrorism, the American flag are to Democrats what garlic is to a vampire.

I’ll leave you with daas torah on the liberals (of which Biden is one) from HaRav Miller, shlita:

Q:
Should we help financially the Moral Majority? They constantly ask us for money to help them in their fight. (Moral Majority was a political action group associated with the Christian right and the Republican Party that was formed in 1979 to further a conservative and religious agenda including the allowance of prayer in public schools and strict laws against abortion).

A:
I say yes! They’re a very important organization and the truth is that they are a reproach to us. If we see goyim who are fighting for decency so sincerely – many of them are really sacrificing themselves; some have gone for jail fighting for their principles – then we, we’re the nation of holiness, the least we can do if we won’t fight ourselves for these ideals, the least we can do is to give financial assistance to those goyim who are fighting.

TAPE # 492 (February 1984)

Q:
What do you say about the man who killed the abortion doctor?

A:
You know, had it been the other way around — had there been someone who went and killed this man, so the judge would have said, “For killing this anti-abortion man, two years probation.” That’s what happens; that’s what the judges do today.

The same thing is if, chas v’shalom, a criminal would stop you in the street, and you happen to have a knife, and the criminal wants to attack you, so you take your knife and you slit his throat. So the courts say you did a very big crime. If you hadn’t slit his throat, and he would have done chalilah the same thing to you, he would have gotten off with nothing, with nothing at all. But the fact that you slit his throat, the judge would throw the worst sentence at you. He’ll sentence you to prison – he would even give you the electric chair if they had it in that state.

Everybody knows how crazy the wicked judges are today. If a judge can give four million and four hundred thousand dollars to a mugger who was shot and wounded while he was escaping from the scene of a crime, so then we see how crazy the judges are today.

And so we say boruch Hashem that Cuomo [former NY State governor] was knocked out of office. Boruch Hashem that Dinkins [former NYC mayor] was knocked out of office too.

And I want to tell you, when you say, שובר אויבים ומכניע זדים you should have that in mind. Hashem breaks the enemies and He makes low the wicked. If Teddy Kollek was knocked out of office in Yerushalayim, we say, “Boruch Hashem, that Hakodosh Boruch Hu was שובר אויבים ומכניע זדים.” Boruch Hashem, that they and many other such reshaim were knocked out of office. Don’t ignore that – it’s something we have to daven for. I’m not going to say the names of all of them, because they’ll all become my enemies! But all the reshaim who lost out in the elections – we say שובר אויבים ומכניע זדים; we thank Hashem and we make the bracha with kavana, with a gusto.

And don’t think that just because they’re not enemies of the Jewish people, so they’re not our enemies. It makes no difference; they’re enemies of the people and we’re part of the people! We suffer from them and therefore we’re happy to see the downfall of the wicked who are ruining America.
TAPE # 990 (December 1994)

To Participant – I think you are right and I am wrong about Moshe’s speech challenge.

Dear Dov Rosenbaum,

And you are the Democrats spokesman. Biden has a very long career as a politician. He is almost a pure moderate. One extra tick toward the center, to be exact. And I have no idea who you quoted from. But it was full of politics without much Torah.

Maybe I missed it, but he does not mention liberals once. The longer discussion is about judges. It is not clear to me if it is discussing an actual event. But two things. He seems to be trivializing a premeditated murder. Which is compared against a random murder. And there is not a word about lawyers. Or that it probably would have been a jury that let criminals walk. So maybe he is discussing a theoretical event.

But the first piece you mention is the kicker. The moral majority was a concerted effort to bring out morals as a conservative concept and bring both ideas to the Republican party. Which until them was about the average working family that did not think much about politics. Eventually, the moral majority succeeded in reshaping the GOP, and wiping out most of their older agenda. Neither ideology came to pass. American conservatism was replaced by the neo-cons. And morality evaporated throughout the country. And now we have all these Qanon evangelicals. Just over a year ago, this could have been debated. But then the heir to the moral majority was publicly exposed as only caring about money, lust, and power. Exactly the same as any liberal power broker.

Dear Always,

I do not know what biases you are discussing. And, I am looping sight of where our discussion is going. The original topic moved to Biden’s religious sincerity. Or something like that. For anyone who cares to look, his deep convictions are obvious. He almost seems better suited for the clergy, than the oval office.

Politicians do a lot for the camera. But it is easy to pick up what they are like as people. They have to have a genuine side to connect to their constituents. But this is not even typical. Biden has been candid about how tragedy reshaped his life. And what he says has been confirmed by all the different people he interacted with.

We could discuss anything. But I’m not sure why all this random stuff is being combined. Every President – every person – has a real life story. There is no reason to paint the person to fit the politics. Carter is considered a failed President. Although he was a decent person.the same can be said about President Bush.

Dear Dov Rosenbaum,

I followed you around on this thread. From God to the clergy and judges. And now you pile this whole list of commodities. It calls to mind the prophecies of Hoseah…………

interestingly, US does not seem to have a lot of seriously religious Presidents despite having more religious population than other Western countries. I mean not just those who profess something, or visit houses of worship, but those whose thinking is seriously motivated by religious sentiment?

Bush II, Carter .. others before my time … do we need to go before Progressives to find fasting and Thanksgiving declarations?! And, according to research opinions, those 2 were not the most successful ones.

n0> he had an unusually high awareness of God

Ok, maybe, I did not follow him closely when he was a Senator except when he got into news …
Still, if you listen to another religious almost-VP, Joe Lieberman, yes, he sometimes uses his morality for somewhat political purposes, like defending Bill Clinton, he is generally decent in his speeches. I can’t see him insisting that previous President left him no vaccines. Joe L was positive on Biden, btw. I would say, he has religious core that gets overpowered by political yetzer and probably habit of so many years. Can hope that in critical moments, he might revert to the core values. See again the story with the journalist in Iraq – he accepted the argument.