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What will we wish people during the 3 weeks of Bein Hametzarim when Moshiach comes?
[HINT: It is alluded to in the deroshos of the Chasam Sofer]
All 3 weeks will be a time of happiness and serving Hashem with the Bais Hamikdosh rebuilt IYH bkarov….. As soon as we wake up to serious teshuva and Achdus ASAP as one loving nation together and call out to our loving father Hashem wholeheartedly begging for the coming of Mashiach already.
I.e. nothing just happens from just sitting around and davening for something we need to go to the true level of YEARNING for the coming of Mashiach and rebuilding of the 3rd Bais Hamikdosh.
According the Yerushalmi Meshiach comes after the Beis Hamikdash was already rebuilt.
it stems from going off topic on every thread
@menachem, I am not hurt in anyway, just giving an object lesson of how annoying it can get when you keep going off topic instead of plain not responding to a topic that you have zero interest in.
Be well and please try to focus on topic on hand instead preaching on what you want to topic to be.
Menachem, look at the Aim Habanim Semacha Perek 3, who brings the Yerushalmi Perek 5 of Maaser Sheni mishna 2 and the Tosfas Yom Tov there paskening like Rebbi Yosi in the mishna quoting the Yerushalmi above. So first we must build the Beis Hamikdash and on top will come the one of fire. The Rambam might be talking if we don’t built it ourselves, then Meshiach will build it. There are two proofs two this. One in Shmonei Esrei, the bracha for building the Beis Hamikdash is before the coming of Meshiach. Two, the coming of the wall of fire which we daven in Nachem on Tisha B’ov says סביב לה, around it, around what? It will come around the one we build ourselves.
Even though that on Shiva Asar Betamuz the luchos were broken and on Tisha B’av it was decreed not being able to go to EY, we only remember the last thing which is joyful.
I quoted you a sefer Aim Habanim Semecha, Rav Yisochor Teichtal, Hy’d available to download
at https://hebrewbooks dot org/53692 talking about going to EY to bring Meshiach. The Vayoel Moshe from Satmar Rav ztz’l argues on him.The Aim Habanim Semacha holds that redemption will come slowly by putting our effort into it through going to EY and building the Beis Hamikdash and the one of fire will descend on what we build as the עני רוכב על חמור. However, the Minchas Elozor, the Munkacher, Rebbi of the above, holds that it will come spontaneously.
What does it prove? If the Beis Hamikdash was already built by us, then Meshiach will not have to build it. So he does whatever else is necessary. If he has to build it he is Meshiach and maybe building is the one of fire.
@rebEliezer @menachemShmei
You both seem to have looked into this topic well.I am aware that shitas HaRambam is that the Beis Hamikdash will be built by people (seemingly Moshiach).
And you brought a source to explain how the “beis Hamikdash of fire” will come down after the physical one is built.What does the Rambam do with the gemara in Sukkah (also rosh Hashana) that Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai forbade eating “chodosh” the entire 16th of Nissan, since there’s a concern that the beis Hamikdosh will have returned and people won’t have found out about it?
The gemara is clear that the beis hamikdosh will come back at night time (or perhaps right before shkiya on the 15th of nissan).
Rashi and Tosfos (and others) point out how the beis hamikdosh will come back at night time, and that’s not a problem since the mitzva to build it during the day only applies to the first batei mikdosh which was built by people; but the third one will come down in fire, and thus can come at night as well.You’ve explained how the Rambam will learn the medrash about the mikdash of fire; but there’s still the clear issue of rav Yochanan ben Zakkai’s takana.
He is very clear that there’s reason to assume the beis hamikdosh will be present on the 16th of nissan even though there was absolutely no mikdash there when pesach started a day earlier.This is one of the major sources for those rishonim who argue on the Rambam.
How does he Rambam explain this gemara?(I’m sure there are mefarshim who address this topic, I just haven’t seen them. You have studied this much more than I have, so maybe you’ve come across the answer?)
Menachem, look at reply #2111862 above and download the sefer. It describes everything in great detail.
The above sefer Aim Habanim Samecha Perek 3 brings a sefer Ezras Kohanim on Meseches Midos 1 available to download at
https://hebrewbooks dot org/21475 and Ezras Kohanim 2-3 at https://hebrewbooks dot org/22639I found a booklet entitled בנין בית המקדש בזמן הזה available to download
at https://hebrewbooks dot org/56873I found another sefer עיר הקדש והמקדש from Yehiel Michel Tektzkinski available to download
at https://hebrewbooks dot org/14624Another sefer ענייני המקדש והגלות also available to download at https://hebrewbooks dot org/56997
This last sefer about the galus is good for Tisha B’av.
The Chasam Sofer explains why the 9th of Av was designated and not the 10th? It says ובאו בה פריצים וחיללה, when the blood shedders went inside, they made it mundane. Once they threw fire to the Beis Hamikdash from the outside, it became a house which was non-sacred any more that was burning making the beginning when they started the burning, the time to commemorate.
Don’t want to start a new thread and don’t know which thread it should go in so I’m putting it here
I saw on Arutz sheva that Zionism started with n tisha bav
Take what you want out of that
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The Midrash says that Meshiach was born on Tisha B’Av.
Menachem, agree, I know a haredi Rav who interacts frequently with non-observant Jews and when asked “are you a Zionists”, he answers – “yes, as in ‘hamehazir shechinato l’zion’ “. That is, he does not want to be negative on the idea, just does not support specific implementation.
Which part of North America is also part of the European Union?
Carribean islands belonging to Netherland? I guess, NYC was also part of EU then.
@ujm: St Pierre & Miquelon
(formerly Greenland as well, but they have since left)
What is the connection between the 3-weeks and miShenichnasAdor..? Aren’t we supposed to be overly happy now?
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