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June 2, 2009 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #589874squeakParticipant
roshei teivos = Bing
As many of you may know, Microsoft’s “decision engine” is going live. Most of the reviews that I have seen have been negative, a la “so what”, “not as good”, and “nothing new”. But I have different priorities – Google is a site worth blocking; yet it is too useful to block (hmm, that can be said about the internet in general). Does Bing have any properties that might make it safer for a God-fearing Jew to use? Are we going to see an alternative to google that has a safe mode that actually works?
June 2, 2009 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #647569A600KiloBearParticipantBS”D
I gave Bing a quick spin yesterday. I would say that it really is not remarkable in any way – and safesearch does seem to work for me in Google.
June 2, 2009 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #647570DeliberatelyEsotericMembernot yet…
June 2, 2009 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #647571Mayan_DvashParticipantIf squeak is right that Bing stands for Because It’s Not Google, it kind of brings things full-circle. At Google’s outset, they stood for “everything not Microsoft.” So here is Microsoft pulling one on Google.
Derech Agav: I am a software developer and I am doing quite a bit of work on something called web parts which is part of .NET. Anyone who uses iGoogle is benifitting from that technology. Did google invent that or did microsoft? Either way, it was nice of the Microsoft people to give us an easy way to develop applications that allow us to create those kind of pages.
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June 2, 2009 8:42 pm at 8:42 pm #647572squeakParticipantBear: Safesearch works for me, too, but only because I want it too. If someone is trying to bypass the safety feature it is no kuntz to do so. That is why the site is better off blocked on risky networks. Obviously, no one is talking about any features of Bing yet, because they’re all too busy saying how unimpressive it is, but I am always hoping someone will make a good, safe search engine.
June 2, 2009 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #647573I can only tryMember“Has nobody used this yet?“
1) No. Because it’s no good.
2) No. Better improve next generation.
3) No. Buggy interface never gratifies.
4) No. Big investment – no gain.
5) No. Built imprudently, now garbage.
6) No. Bill* impetuously needed glory.
7) No. Bogus improvement, negative gain.
*Gates
June 2, 2009 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #647574A600KiloBearParticipantBS”D
How about “Bei inz nisht git”!
June 2, 2009 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm #647575areivimzehlazehParticipantBINGo kilobear!
June 2, 2009 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #647576noitallmrParticipantGoogle is the king and will always be…
…the king of shmutz 😉
Just kidding (not that it’s not) but Google is by far and away the best search engine out there…love it!
June 2, 2009 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #647577A600KiloBearParticipantBS”D
Schmutz in schmutz out! If you key in schmutz (and do a good enough job of it to fool the SafeSearch) then guess what results you get – schmutz :).
If you key in what you need for your work, or better yet divrei Torah, you get what you ask for as well.
The one problem that does occur when using any search engine to find divrei Torah is that nonsense, LH, MSR and kefira written by all kinds of malcontents or self appointed scholars are thrown in with the kosher divrei Torah. Sadly, key in the name of any of the Gedoilei Torah who lived from hmmm..the time the “Haskalah” started until now and you will see what I mean :(.
June 3, 2009 12:38 am at 12:38 am #647578noitallmrParticipant“If you key in schmutz (and do a good enough job of it to fool the SafeSearch) then guess what results you get”
I believe you- I wouldn’t know!!! 😉
June 3, 2009 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #647579I can only tryMemberA600KiloBear-
Brilliant! I nearly guffawed.
squeak-
A more serious response:
I quickly looked at Bing, and their search has a very similar look and feel to Google’s search.
Bing has other pages for services (travel, etc.) that I didn’t spend any time on.
A Google search for comparisons between the two (yes, it’s ironic) brought up several hits.
If you google “Search Smackdown: Bing Vs. Google” you will find an article that has a side-by-side comparison with several samples that I found the most informative.
June 3, 2009 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #647580squeakParticipantClearly Google is not even close to being threatened by Bing. Regarding the Shmutz in- Schmutz out response, this is true but irrelevant. If anyone besides you has access to your network, and google is not blocked, schmutz is available right through your network regardless of filters and safesearch. If only you have access to your network…. then kol shechain you should be concerned about schmutz.
It’s not that I expect Bing to have this advantage, just that I am continuously hoping to be able to block google for good and have a safe search engine take over.
June 3, 2009 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #647581A600KiloBearParticipantBS”D
In that case use k9 or similar to block the schmutz. But if someone else runs your network, then they can store schmutz on the main server anyway and anyone can stumble upon it.
June 3, 2009 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #647582squeakParticipantBear, B”H it’s not my problem. But I always like to know a solution if there is one.
K9 is not clever enough to keep a search engine clean.
June 3, 2009 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #647583A600KiloBearParticipantBS”D
True – it does not have terms blocking functions. But Safe Search once blocked something totally legit for me (in a foreign language IIRC) and I had to search it in Yahoo.
June 9, 2009 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #647584I can only tryMembersqueak-
FYI – just did a site search for an old post on this site.
The parm was “<searched for text> site:www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom”
Google missed it.
Bing found it.
June 9, 2009 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #647585squeakParticipantICOT, do you think that might only be because Bing updated their cache more recently (being new and all)?
June 9, 2009 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #647586I can only tryMembersqueak-
Your theory makes sense.
It can also be based on indexing and search algorithms, how many and how efficient webbots the services use, how much data they actually store, and probably other proprietary factors that they keep secret.
Either way, it’s nice to know that they don’t just mirror each other, so if one doesn’t get the hit you’re looking for, the other may.
June 11, 2009 2:34 am at 2:34 am #647587ChachamParticipanti heard a new pshat in BING
Bill Its No Good
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