Be aware of stalkers/info stealers

Being Emessdig is definitely a good Mida, but lying in an ideological conversation does not make someone a Muchzak Shakran or any other scary term. At most, if someone is a chronic liar then he would be from the Kat Shakranim, which is one of the four groups tthat are not Mekabel Pnei Hashchina.

Hin Tzeddek that the Gemara speaks of is about keeping your word in business. Midvar Shekker refers to Eidus, although we do use it as a reproach to lying.

Now, you mention my name and Jothar’s as accusers of AYC. That is an example of untruthful manipulation. You also use terminology meant for cheating people, on an ideological conversation. So, are you Muchzak something?

Haleivi, bemechilas kevod torascha, when someone is accused of massim asher lo yaasu and you say “yes he did it but it’s ok”, then you are saying “he’s guilty according to your definition, and everyone else, just not according to mine”. In other words, you are saying he’s guilty.

I’m not sure how someone saying “you can trust my kashrus, I’m a kletzky” is ideological. It’s a personal eidus of trust. This is pashut lechol bar bei rav dechad yoma. I am dan lekaf zechus that he said this as emes. I agree with charlie that the mods had to take precautions (gedaliah ben achikam was not supposed to be mekabeil but was supposed to take precautions, but I look forward to AYC clearing his name. He is kosher until established as treif for giving false eidus on himself.

How and why should we know such and such a person is blocked unless they make another name and come on here and tell us? Any other method would be wrong. And I dont want to hear it is protecting the public so you can mention names. If we are being protected, great. We dont have to bat names around of people, even facsimile names.

Even if this site is concerned about someone, how is it that we are not all being brought into a shmiras haloshon issue and smearing our neshamas with wondering if someone is guilty of not. As someone once said to me, every time you want to talk about someone or take their chesbon based on what you heard, even, and not even saw or know of firsthand, decide if you are prepared to “take the heat for it” literally!

All kinds of websites from Yahoo! to small hobbiest, gaming, and fan websites, etc., all have posting boards and chat along with people who abuse them. Banks have problems with breaches in online security. Yet in all these cases, I have yet to see someone’s name given out for everyone else to talk about. What happens is that you just dont see the person anymore and assume they no longer visit the site, and that is how it should be.

Hi moi aussi.

I dont think Jothar is a sociopath, but he is certainly posting with that trait. His obsessing may be that he works the day shift on this site and can’t help posting and starting threads about his narrow concerns, which may be based on what he does for the website. He wants to interact with us.

I may be wrong, but my belief is he is a moderator, or has some computer guy role in this website. I just think it is going to his head and it is obvious he posts and talks to moderators in his post as though he has a privileged role in this site, and does not post like one of us.

I also think not all moderators are on the same page with him, but since they are colleagues, they dont step on each others toes.

Thank you for complimenting the post. I was just saying what I feel when I am enjoying what people here have to say, and then, “boom”, I run into one of his internet security themed posts.

A thread topic could be about how grow vegetables indoors during the winter. People would make interesting suggestions about what grows better, and I can read with interest. Then I will see the Jothar post and it has nothing to do with vegetables. You know what the subject would be. lol

Jothar: Are you serious??? You said the following:

“I just took a look at AYC’s profile. I noticed that it listed location as “olam hazeh” and occupation as “eved Hashem”. Where did I see that? Oh yeah, my own account…… Even stalkers and manipulators should have a line where they refuse to cross. Everybody has a conscience. We are dealing with a person who needs to be removed from society.

SERIOUSLY??? The premise being someone mocked your account and your conclusion being they have to be “removed from society”????

Fascism is a terrible thing! And fascists always believe it is for our own good! It seems to me like you can justify doing a little stalking yourself. I hope you have not made trouble for some good people around here, but I believe it is very very possible that is what you may have done.

I love BTguy’s idea…block someone who’s a probable stalker but don’t tell anyone who it was so people won’t know who to protect themselves from, and won’t have an account available as a textbook example of how a stalker operates. And by not knowing who it is, you can’t protect yourself from the accounts that suspiciously “amen” everything the stalker account said and did but can’t be blocked due to lack of sufficient evidence. What a concept! You should patent it.

It’s amazing. You put your own words in quotes, to make people think that I wrote them. And you are the stickler for Emess!?

But it’s fine. I won’t call you a Chashud or an evil person. You just got caught up in the heat of the argument.

is the only way that I can know what the discussion is all about, that I read ALL the posts?

Can someone fill me in? What does Kletzky and some poster have to do with this entire controversy?

always,

and you are comfortable being in a place where someone is sick enough to claim to be a Kletzky so others should trust him to let down their guard?

and btw, just to answer those who wondered why its a big deal if he falsely claimed to be a kletzy, you gotta take it in context. Jothar brought up Leiby as the reason why he’s so concerned about child predators. AYC responded that he’s a Kletzky to downplay the vigilance which Jothar was urging.

Jothar:

Just to make it clear again:

I have nothing personal against anybody. I’m just trying to stop cybercrime. As a father, the death of Leiby kletzky hit me hard. So when I spotted what looked like cybercrime, I had to react. The innocent kids (and adults) of the CR deserve nothing less.

AYC’s response:

And LEIBY a”h had Nothing to do with the internet. I AM a Kletzky. I’ve been affected by this summer in a very personal way and am still reeling from the loss. As well as other losses. (Btw, his great-grandfather whom he was named after used to say quite often that the only regret he has from surviving the war was that he was unable to die al kiddush Hashem…)

The hypervigilance is not healthy for anyone.

Charlie- AYC is not in the same place as us. I wouldn’t be comfortable being in the same place with any of you anonymous people.

That’s why I protect myself. I’d never accept emails/invites from unknown addresses. I wouldn’t either answer any questions that might be personal.

As I said before, you can only protect YOURSELF.

smartcookie,

I assume you’re an adult and therefore smart enough not to accept invites or emails from your CR “friends”. However unfortunately many teens do get confused between online friends and real ones and would ch”v accept such an invite. Especially if the stalker built up a reputation online as being a caring, kind person who can be trusted.

My concern is about teen safety, I realize that most adults know enough to watch their own backs.

Stalk, don’t stalk, stalk, don’t stalk…this is giving me a headache. Where is Baal habooze, I need some Black Label. Or some scotch.

sadly, the CR is somewhere where I no longer feel comfortable hanging out in!!!! 🙁

Always i know how you feel this place is so different than it was even 3 weeks ago please please dont go i for one would miss you greatly.

perhaps mod72 can get you some fermented plum juice instead.

How dare the mods, on a website I use for free without any obligation, take steps to eliminate a stalker! I no longer feel comfortable here.

Hi Syag. I was not being sarcastic. I know the written word almost always needs clarification from the writer and many points often go misunderstood. I meant what I said, and just like you, and the rest, I want to do the right thing. It’s not always easy.

I would even suggest the moderators review this thread to see if it has outlived it’s constructive purpose and maybe close it if they deem it is more a mud pit to fall into than anything else.

In any event, I thought about your post last night and because of you, I want to up my level on thinking before I speak or write. I truly thank you for that, and any growth I make in that area I want the zcheus to go to you. Thank you again.

Peace!

I dont even know what the debate is all about. dont you really think that there are bad people out there?!

dont you really think that the bad people are able to access this site??

I read more than I post. I observe a lot as well. I can create a nice profile on a lot of posters.

BTGuy – you are awesome and a tribute to your screen name. I chose my screen name to remind MYSELF to hold my tongue, not others, but I keep thinking I can change the world! Tizke L’Mitzvos, and may the strength I found to steer my energy elsewhere be a zchus to you!

squeak, welcome back! is slangily a real word or did you just make it up? I like it!

Jothar

Founding Member of CR shomrim and Occasional creator of clickthrough-generating monetizable content

Lolkatz, it’s unfair to label this “stalker swept under the Ultra-Orthodox rug”. How many Ultra-Orthodox worked at Penn State?

Joseph, who assured me he is no longer posting, sent this to me in an email, so we can add his words to what was said here:

Assuming its untrue, it certainly is contemptable [sic] to claim to be a real live person (or family) that one is not. Especially a family that’s suffered like the Kletzky’s r’l.

POSTED 5 HOURS AGO #

And we should all believe that you really got that email… Like we all believed AYC’s a klutzy… Hmmmmm, you just said sth in josephs name be careful…

Sure. And why shouldn’t we? Many people here know others in the CR from other places. And some of us have gotten email addresses that weren’t extracted or requested for reasons other than the ones given.

hmmm… interesting exchange of current private emails between CR posters >>>>>> ?!?!!

I know *I* don’t exchange *private* emails with other posters from the CR… does anyone else?!

–always here

Jothar explained how that came about –> here: <–

Coffee Addict, I know Joseph personally because he , through an accomplice who worked for ywn, got hold of my personal email and started emailing me. I am not the only one.

I think that Jothar once mentioned that he knows Joseph personally.

“Me thinks” we can Label avram IN MD, as Jothar…

Still waiting for the apologies now that I’ve unfortunately been proven right

Sigh. Jothar, are you sure?! Oh, no. And, if you’re certain that it’s true, is he capable of doing anything now, or is he under control?