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November 3, 2011 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #827447JotharMember
Zeeskite, lolz!
November 3, 2011 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #827448JotharMemberJust to make it clear again:
I have nothing personal against anybody. I’m just trying to stop cybercrime. As a father, the death of Leiby kletzky hit me hard. So when I spotted what looked like cybercrime, I had to react. The innocent kids (and adults) of the CR deserve nothing less.
November 3, 2011 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #8274492scentsParticipantHey Jothar! you just revealed some info.. now we know your a Father.
November 3, 2011 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm #827450ZeesKiteParticipantAvraham in XX (now unlawful to specify!)
I don’t have ANYTHING against him or anyone. After all he’s Big Brother, trying to keep us children safe. Just a bit fun. OK? Have any other topics? It’s been DEAD here since I returned. Grand Chief Dr. Jothar Sr. Jr. Phd. himself (of the mail variety, I suppose) stated he has nothing against anyone with a body. He’s just out to keep me (innocent kid) safe. He’s big enough to discern that I too have nothing against him.
November 3, 2011 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #827451HaLeiViParticipantJothar, (I don’t mean to probe, but) what does the ‘z’ stand for?
November 4, 2011 2:07 am at 2:07 am #827452OneOfManyParticipantZeesKite: “Big Fish Caught”
XD
November 4, 2011 2:15 am at 2:15 am #827453JotharMemberThe Z in “lolz”? It’s netslang. As in plural lol is lols, and it gets switched to a z. also gets written as lulz, as in lulzsec, the hacking groups that does it for the “lulz”, aka the laughs.
Those of you who live in apartments know the feeling when you turn on the kitchen light in the middle of the night and all the roaches go scurrying out of the light. Since I started this thread, the phishing attempts seemed to have stopped. A little light sheds much darkness. The trick is now to catch the roaches before they can come out again.
November 4, 2011 2:41 am at 2:41 am #827454am yisrael chaiParticipantThat is definitely one way of looking at it.
Here’s another possibility:
People have been instilled with an overabundance of FEAR that there are several requests to get rid of their accounts, and other innocent posters who have taken extended vacations.
Rambam teaches “shvil hazahav” and go in the middle, without extremes. People should be CAUTIOUS but not live in fear. According to the extremism, many threads by students requesting information on seminaries in E”Y should be banned, as now we know genders and approximate age.
Things happen, that’s true. But people still take the subway, still travel by airplane, etc.
And LEIBY a”h had Nothing to do with the internet. I AM a Kletzky. I’ve been affected by this summer in a very personal way and am still reeling from the loss. As well as other losses. (Btw, his great-grandfather whom he was named after used to say quite often that the only regret he has from surviving the war was that he was unable to die al kiddush Hashem…)
And I still believe that one should be cautious but not paranoid.
The hypervigilance is not healthy for anyone.
You may just wish to admit to yourself that you made a BIG mistake with your facebook account, surprisingly enough since you claim to be in security. We all make mistakes.
Now everyone here is suspect. Even you.
November 4, 2011 2:46 am at 2:46 am #827455OneOfManyParticipantJothar: “Laugh out louds”? Sounds kinda off…
😛
November 4, 2011 3:24 am at 3:24 am #827456JotharMemberOneofmany, read through my posts over the years and you will see I have quite the sense of humor.
I took a long break, came back, noticed suspicious activity, and decided to point it out.
am yisroel chai, agreed 100%. Have fun, but be cautious.
We have a case of bari hezeika here. The suspicious phishing and info harvesting posts completely disappeared once i pointed it out. YWN owner knows of one person who has been using the info gleaned here for nefarious purposes, and it could be there are more. Exactly what the balance is, I don’t know. But the pendulum clearly needed to swing back in the direction of caution- people were being too free with personal info, and someone HAS been taking advantage.
And correct, everyone is suspect. Chazal tell us that even though every Jew has a chezkas kashrus, we still say Kabdeihu vechashdeihu. The gemara says a yachid bedoro was someone whom people would lend money to without a loan document. That’s the way the gemara defines a gadol hador, so clearly anyone who is not on that level requires a loan document as proof.
Everyone here is a stranger. Have fun, but take precautions.
November 4, 2011 3:41 am at 3:41 am #827457OneOfManyParticipantJothar: 🙂
November 4, 2011 4:31 am at 4:31 am #827458HaLeiViParticipantJothar, I think you misunderstood OneOfMany. He was talking about the grammer, not about you.
Do you really think someone got people’s email addresses by asking a few too personal questions? Like I said, it seems like there is more than one issue here. Perhaps they are connected, perhaps not.
November 4, 2011 4:51 am at 4:51 am #827459ZeesKiteParticipantSo now we know he’s a father, and lives in a roach infested apartment! It’ll take some time, my auto-poster-location-detector device has been duly activated…
November 4, 2011 5:11 am at 5:11 am #827460OneOfManyParticipantDisclaimer: I am not a grammar Nazi. The idea of pluralizing “lol” just was too amusing to ignore.
November 4, 2011 5:15 am at 5:15 am #827461am yisrael chaiParticipantZK 🙂
November 4, 2011 5:56 am at 5:56 am #827462ZeesKiteParticipantAnd HaLeiVi, you most certainly DON’T want to start up with some guys. They can easily remove “not” from your subtitle!
November 4, 2011 7:12 am at 7:12 am #827463hanibParticipantobservanteen: thanks so much for the warm welcome.
Your common sense is a rare virtue;).
does that mean everyone else has uncommon sense or common nonsense? 😉
November 4, 2011 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #827464JotharMemberAgain, am yisroel chai might very well be who he/she claims to be- and might not. Until verified sn’s are implemented, it’s hard to trust anyone.
November 4, 2011 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #827466ZeesKiteParticipantJothar:
I suppose you missed out on “Would MODs allow me to impersonate myself?”
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/would-mods-allow-me-to-impersonate-myself
November 4, 2011 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #827467ZeesKiteParticipantAnd how do we verify the one who verifies?
And how do we verify the one who verifies the one who verifies?
And how do we verify the one who verifies the one who verifies the one who verifies?
And how do we veri{Insert Paper}
November 4, 2011 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #827468always hereParticipantthe CR is becoming increasingly unpleasant 🙁
Jothar~ I’m not enjoying ANY of your posts :/
November 4, 2011 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #827469JotharMemberThing might be easier soon, once someone is in here:
http://nigelparry.com/enginefiles/uploads/llima-orosa-cell-toilet.jpg
November 4, 2011 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #827470ZeesKiteParticipantHey, place seems familiar…
(next time please a bit more edel… Thanks)
November 4, 2011 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #827471always hereParticipantI thought outside links are not permitted>??!
Jothar: I would never click on a link that has ‘toilet’ in it.. inappropriate much??
November 4, 2011 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #827472🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantalways here – *I am NOT being argumentative, just voicing a parallel comment* I get what you are saying but I (personally) find the rebuttals to him more intrusive than the comments. And, honestly, both together don’t compare to the occasional posts/posters who are biting, flippant, not-quite-sensitive etc who really hurt people personally and have sent me on what AYC called extended ‘vacations’.
November 4, 2011 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #827473always hereParticipantalso- Jothar: your continuing references to prison cells are insensitive; it’s not a joke; some posters may have had family members/friends inside, & may find your comments more than somewhat distasteful.
November 4, 2011 4:02 pm at 4:02 pm #827474BTGuyParticipantlol always here. I agree with you, except in the case where someone really needs one.
November 15, 2011 1:34 am at 1:34 am #827476YW Moderator-42ModeratorAm Yisrael Chai account LOCKED due to possible FRAUD
I would like to apologize in advance. I’m sure this is a misunderstanding and we’ll be laughing about it next week. However, the safety of our readers is of paramount importance.
AYC claimed above that she was a Kletzky.
One of our readers who knows the family contacted a Kletzky, who thought that this person sounded very suspicious. They are VERY concerned about identity theft and false claims. For now, due to the safety concerns of the CR, we understandably have blocked the account. AYC, please check your email and contact me for more info. Alternatively, please call the Kletzkys and touch base, and they will let us know to unlock the account.
I very much hope that this is a simple misunderstanding. In the meantime, however, I’m sure that you will understand why we must make this move. Thank you very much, and again my apologies.
November 15, 2011 2:20 am at 2:20 am #827477HaLeiViParticipantSo it’s dangerous to claim you’re a Kletzky!!? It’s dangerous for the Kletzkys if someone claims to be in the family!!? Does it mean identity was stolen if you claim to be of any particular family? Please explain.
Charlie, can you explain this one as well?
November 15, 2011 3:05 am at 3:05 am #827478JotharMemberWOW. I am STUNNED.
I know Joseph. As misguided as he is, he would NEVER, as a talmid of Rav Avigdor Miller, stoop to claiming to be a Kletzky and using that to manipulate people. This better be a misunderstanding.
November 15, 2011 3:16 am at 3:16 am #827479MoodcheDoovidMemberIs this a Coffee Room or a mikveh?
November 15, 2011 3:24 am at 3:24 am #827480JotharMemberHalevi, when I started this thread, I did it because of what happened to kletzky and trusting strangers. So this ayc character posts up and says, I’m a Kletzky and don’t worry about trusting strangers”. Turns out the guy was falsely claiming to be a kletzky to lure everyone into a false sense of comfort. It’s like the menuval telling the kid, “I know your father you can trust me”.
This is awful.
November 15, 2011 3:38 am at 3:38 am #827481BrainwasheDParticipantOne is MECHUYAV to dan AYC lekaf zechus until this is clarified. And if it is clarified, one is MECHUYAV to consult Daas Torah before calling the police. Let’s not confuse halacha with petty revenge.
November 15, 2011 3:48 am at 3:48 am #827482🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantWhen she said she was a Kletzky I thought she meant it figuratively, meaning that she wasn’t just a bystander of tragedy but among the victims. Either way, 42 said it may be a misunderstanding. Knowing how sensitive AYC has been to lesser charges, can we hold off on the gavel clop til we know more?
November 15, 2011 3:52 am at 3:52 am #827483🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantHaLevei- It was the Kletzky’s who were worried, not the mods. Why are you jumping on them? (Asked with a questioning tone, not a condescending one)
I feel like every post needs a disclaimer 🙁
November 15, 2011 3:56 am at 3:56 am #827484MindOverChatterParticipantI’ve no idea whether this is true or not. But while we, the fellow CRers are speculating, I’d like to commend Mod -42 on a job well done. Although this may be wrong, he’d done his duty as a mod as efficient and pain-free as possible. I greatly appreciate your concern and constant action to protect us, Mod. Thank you.
(And AYC, in case this is false, please forgive the mods. They don’t want to hurt you per se, and they truly do mean well. If you’re just an innocent poster, you too, would be relieved when you’d see the mods ensure our security.)
November 15, 2011 4:55 am at 4:55 am #827485mods, I’m not judging, since there might be more to this than meets the eye, however why couldn’t you just delete that post??? it would have saved alot of trouble…
“YW Moderator-42
Occasional 24/6 Moderator, Occasional Joseph, Occasional Dolt.
Am Yisrael Chai account LOCKED due to possible FRAUD
I would like to apologize in advance. I’m sure this is a misunderstanding and we’ll be laughing about it next week. However, the safety of our readers is of paramount importance.
AYC claimed above that she was a Kletzky.
One of our readers who knows the family contacted a Kletzky, who thought that this person sounded very suspicious. They are VERY concerned about identity theft and false claims. For now, due to the safety concerns of the CR, we understandably have blocked the account. AYC, please check your email and contact me for more info. Alternatively, please call the Kletzkys and touch base, and they will let us know to unlock the account.
I very much hope that this is a simple misunderstanding. In the meantime, however, I’m sure that you will understand why we must make this move. Thank you very much, and again my apologies.
November 15, 2011 4:59 am at 4:59 am #827486kapustaParticipantI really, really hope this is a big misunderstanding. I could easily be wrong in thinking this way but the AYC posts that I’ve read hardly seem like they came from someone who could play such a sick joke. At the same time, until its sorted out, I must give credit to the mods for keeping this place safe.
I always assumed AYC is a he as opposed to a she, but I guess the account has a female name…?
November 15, 2011 6:08 am at 6:08 am #827487HaLeiViParticipantJothar, you are bending over backwards to make someone sound criminal.
November 15, 2011 6:25 am at 6:25 am #8274882qwertyParticipantWas Jothar working together with AYC playing good cop bad cop? Because i trusted Jothar and clicked on his link its possible that he knows my IP address now. (That’s actually the most personal info i’ve seen anyone give out in the coffee room)
Should i be worried?
November 15, 2011 6:30 am at 6:30 am #827489haleivi: agreed. I wonder how Jothar knows the criminal’s mind sooo well… He comes up with concepts alot of us would never think of or imagine…. hmmmm
November 15, 2011 7:26 am at 7:26 am #827490moi aussiMemberIf I say I’m related to Rockefeller, or the Sultan of Brunei or lehavdil the Belzer Rebbe, have I caused any DANGER????
November 15, 2011 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #827491Avram in MDParticipantIt seems possible to me that YW Moderator-42 is using an object lesson to make a point to am yisrael chai, that revealing personal information in the CR (e.g., that am yisrael chai is a Kletzky) can lead to real life ramifications (having the Kletzky family contacted regarding the CR posts).
That’s all I think this is; after all, if AYC’s account was really locked, YW Moderator-42 would probably have noted such in his/her screenname subtitle, as is commonly done when other posters have their accounts locked.
November 15, 2011 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #827492lolkatzMemberJothar, you kept pointing out how ayc was refering to “Joseph” as a tzaddik. Why are you so sure this hideous ogre (assuming, of course, that it’s a hideous ogre instead of a simple misunderstanding) isn’t Joseph?
November 15, 2011 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #827493JotharMemberCan we please let AYC clear his/her name before we start with the “snapping towel” defenses please?
November 15, 2011 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #827494Avram in MDParticipantmoi aussi,
If I say I’m related to Rockefeller, or the Sultan of Brunei or lehavdil the Belzer Rebbe, have I caused any DANGER????
I think YW Moderator-42 is attempting to demonstrate the danger. Consider the following sequence of events:
1.) Poster “YoungPerson” mentions that she is from prominent family X.
2.) Poster “OlderMan” contacts someone in family X, stating that he is involved with IT security, and that someone in the CR is claiming to be from family X, which concerns him, and to confirm that YoungPerson is legit.
3.) Family X investigates and finds out that a young niece is posting in the CR, so they contact OlderMan to let him know who YoungPerson is, and that she’s legit. They thank OlderMan for his concern for the family’s privacy.
4.) OlderMan now has YoungPerson’s full name, and can easily deduce other details such as address, age, school, etc.
November 15, 2011 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #827495MoodcheDoovidMemberAYC, many people have gotten out of tzoores like this by “shmearing the gabba”. I’m not taaning you should do this, I’m just saying. A few hundred dollars should do it.
November 15, 2011 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #827496ZeesKiteParticipantAvram in MD:
Might I suggest you get a new s/n
1) “?? ???? ??? ??? ????”
2) You’re disclosing your location. That could be dangerous. There aren’t too many Avrams in MD. All we (me and helper Watson) have to do is go there and see who which Avram talks like you post!
November 15, 2011 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #827497BrainwasheDParticipantI look forward to happy news from the mods that this was a misunderstanding, and we can all welcome back ayc with open arms.
November 15, 2011 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #827498HaLeiViParticipantAvram, I like your theory but not the logic. Number 2 just doesn’t make sense. OlderMan calls family X and says (in a low pitch, professional voice), “There is some anonymous person on our blog that says he/she is part of your family!(!!!)”
Family X responds: “and?”
OlderMan: “We are not sure if s/he is legitimate!”
Mr. X: “And if he’s not in my family, then what?”
OlderMan (hyperventilating): “Then he is not legit!”
Mr. X: “Legit what??”
OlderMan: “This is a serious security threat and you are taking it lightly!!!”
Mr. X: “I think I have a beep”
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