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I agree. And his comments usually are calm until someone starts making fun or putting him on the defensive.
“Stop with the “shmiras halashon” scream. Enough of that already. We are dealing with a very sick demented mentally disturbed person who intimidates, stalks, harasses people, steals from people, and lots of other illegal behavior.”
I was unaware that a real problem existed. Thank you for taking care of it. Still, Shimras HaLoshon cannot be brushed off because of a real problem existed. The danger of finger pointing in many daily threads and coming up with nothing is a problem for everyone for many reasons.
Give the person calling the fire department a direct line to call in his reports instead of interrupting following the thread of each topic they post in with their suspicions. I am sure not speaking to the topic of any given thread is not within the TOS as it is interruptive and creates displays paranoia.
Incidentally, someone who keeps calling the fire department too often with nothing going on, can be fined. There are ways to handle things. From this point if the person wants to announce their suspicions, I will have to ignore it. But it is highly interruptive to enjoying Coffee Room communication.
I’m with Team Jothar. Keep up the pressure.
Jothar- how were you able to pick up so much information that we don’t see? Is this someone you know? I am just wondering how it all went right over my head, I am generally not that clueless.
*Syag* CR Shomer- self proclaimed
I’m with Team Jothar! Keep up the chessed!
I agree with you, Jothar. People have a right to anonymity, even if they don’t understand how valuable it is.
Is there really something so illegal/immoral about sending an unwarranted email? I would call it spam.
Jothar, being that you mentioned having sent back an email, obviously you were contacted. Do you feel ‘stalked’?
Jothar: Although your intentions are good, and I respect you for protecting the fellow cr’ers, you gave some of us quite a scare. I for one, grew really frightened. And now you say the game’s (almost)over without elaborating. Look, we’re not toys who you can play around with. Please give us a legitimate reason why we should feel safe now. I truly feel that you owe us an explanation.
I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings by posting this. I really don’t want to make you feel bad. Maybe I’m taking it harder than others.
observanteen: I don’t think Jothar said anything has changed. You should always be practicing internet safety.
Especially since we have our very own confirmed creep.
observanteen – I’m with you about not liking being given half stories but don’t be scared in that way. What he, and others, are trying to say is that there may be people looking for info who will try to contact you as a friend (or whatever else he is referring to). If you DO NOT respond to their gesture you should be okay. If someone catches you off gaurd by claiming to know you or someone in your family then you should be suspicious, or at least cautious. But if nothing comes your way you certainly don’t need to be worrying. It’s like warning someone not to open the door for strangers. If nobody knocks than don’t worry. But if they knock and you don’t recognize them, don’t take their word for it that they are your long lost buddy from kindergarten.
Does that help???
Jothar – Not to change the subject but it sounds like not having facebook often solves half the problem.
Jothar- I can’t believe you actually accept a Facebook friend whom you don’t recognize. Same way it’s beyond me why people open emails from unknown addresses.
The world is full of bad people, you cannot get rid of them
It’s up to every poster here to be responsible over what they post. You cannot worry for the entire CR.
Thanks, Jothar, for keeping everyone aware.
Some people guard their identity in such an extreme way, it’s indicative of paranoia. I understand and appreciate that we don’t give out our real names and email addresses, however an email address does not compromise anyone’s safety. Some of the comments suggest that giving out an email is like giving a murderer the keys of my house, or giving a thief my safe combination.
There are hundreds of people out there who have my email address (including Yeshiva World), and I have not yet been killed or robbed.
We need to keep things in proportion. Protect your identity but don’t go overboard. Should anyone find out your name, it’s NOT the end of the world!!
I’ve done some independant follow-up. I too back Jothar and whoever else is involved in their quest.
Jothar, you are not alerting people to dangers. You are sloppily creating loshon hora and dan lekaf zcheus issues for all of us by not handling your suspicions behind the scenes with email warnings or waiting for a real problem.
You can not run amok among everyone in the name of good hoping to find someone doing wrong while stepping on the toes of good people.
Specific cases in point: 1. You posted asking people what time they daven. 2. You asked for information, in the name of alumni, on how to effectively track people.
My point is this: I have seen more than one person post less “mining” points and you vigorously confronted them in public in their threads in an accusatory way, which you mistakenly thought was preventative.
That is not ok with me and you are bringing all of us in to loshon hora and dan lekaf zcheus issues by confronting things impuslively. Yes, impulsively. You were wrong in all those cases of posters you confronted. They were not criminals. But you hide behind a good cause and move your merry way and get away with it.
Internet security concerns are not unique to you, even if you want to be the poster child. We want internet security, but what you are doing is making people afraid and offending innocents in the process. How is that a just way to handle things?
He didnt start the minyan thread.
.. and I thought is was safe to resume breathing again…
OK. Let’s create a <PRESS HERE if you feel I crossed any lines> button.
BTGuy,
You are sloppily creating loshon hora and dan lekaf zcheus issues for all of us by not handling your suspicions behind the scenes with email warnings or waiting for a real problem.
From what I’ve seen, Jothar has been making a case for better protection of users’ identities by pointing out threads that might be problematic, not posters, and making general recommendations to not share PII or other seemingly innocent information that can be combined to make PII. I read more than I post, and I have seen several instances in the CR where a poster attempts (or threatens/claims to attempt) to harm another poster “IRL” after the latter poster revealed enough information online to provide an identity. One example was an attempt by “mosherose” to have another poster thrown out of a shiur in real life (see http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/changed-topic-of-shiur-do-i-have-a-right-to-be-disappointed). I don’t think such behavior is ok, do you?
(see http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/changed-topic-of-shiur-do-i-have-a-right-to-be-disappointed). I don’t think such behavior is ok, do you?
Wow. I missed that the first time around. This is some excellent mosherosing, and not at all consistent with his usual hit and run kanaus.
BTguy, there seems to be two issues going on here. Jothar says that with his keen eye, he noticed phishing. He contacted the moderators, or owners, and they agreed. Besides this, if you read the MIB (Mod In Bold) on this thread you will see that they have a different issue. Both combined makes this, and related, threads confusing.
wow, I missed that too the first time. I assume that any doubters will come around after reading that thread!
Anyone remember the one in good ole USSR, a guy peeking in a mirror saying “Either you or me is an informer!”
zeeskite, mommy said its you!
Jothar, like we said in Hallel:
“Oh No. I don’t know. How should I know?”
WHAT??
(but anyways how do YOU know what goes on in the whammy? – BTDT?)
observanteen – i agree with your 2 posts. i also thought that writing one’s profile was required (as it said so) and assumed that no one could see what i wrote, until someone wrote my profession on one of the threads. i quickly changed my profile. also, i’m also totally confused by what everyone is writing here. my only assumption is that the known infamous multi-screen poster around here who has asked people phishing questions has tried to contact someone in real life.
the Jewish world is so small that probably we all know someone who knows someone who knows each of us; so anyone who is not all mentally there or who is not so nice can easily find out who we are in real life. and you’re right – that is scary. i’m scaring myself.
it’s not fair to label everyone who disagrees with Jothar, “Joseph”.
i think many people would like to believe that the cr is safe; that’s what’s so fun and nice about it – the feeling that one can be themselves anonymously.
binahyeseirah: Welcome back! I truly missed you here. Your common sense is a rare virtue;).
I thought mod 80 fixed that (the profile thing)but I just realized that he probably didn’t. I hope they fix it soon.
Hope you stay here!
observe, in my experience with the CR, the mods are posters on a higher level. They have control over which comments appear, but very little to do with sight design. You raised a good point and probably the best way for anything to be done is to use the “contact us” page. (I’m not volunteering you for the job, just trying to explain why you may not get results just yet.)
Dear mods, I didn’t mean what I said in the last paragraph. You’re posters on a way, WAY, higher level. Can’t even compare you to us little folk. 😉
kapusta: Thanks for enlightening me. I don’t think I’ll do that though.
OK, So when is this big one going to hit the newsstands –
“Big Fish Caught”
The Big Fish has been caught just as he was attempting to flee Coffee Room. Airline officials say he already was on the plane when they realized He was the one they were after. They hurriedly whisked him to a secure location. He was searched and was found in possession of multiple screen names, which carry a maximum sentence of 5 years. A quick investigation revealed a positive DNA match to posts he’d been emitting throughout the years.
Aliza A, 31, who refused to give us her first name, said “WOW!” S. Gonzalez, 28, a neighbor who refused to give his last name, said he always thought Big Fish to be a nice neighbor.
Federal and Local YW officials hope to announce the indictment shortly.
It’s probably against the policy of this site to publish the story of BigFish.
ZeesKite,
Why are you so bothered by Jothar bringing up very real online privacy issues? You have been calling him out unprovoked in several threads.
I don’t know anything about the law enforcement issues Jothar and the moderators are alluding to, so I am not commenting about that.
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