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in college i have a course on international affairs. one of the topics that came up recently was the baruch goldstein murders in 1994. i did a bit of research of that incident and one thing that disturbs me is that after goldstein murdered 29 arabs a direct result was that in retaliation the arabs murdered 12 israelis.
so goldstein has jewish blood on his hands having instigated and directly triggered the killing of 12 jews by his extremist act. and yet a small number of extremists actually think of goldstein as a hero. forget the arabs he killed; at least remember how many jews died as a result of his murders.
Ultimate, your post seems to imply that Goldstein initiated a cycle of violence between Arabs and Jews. I hasten to point out that Goldstein’s actions were, themselves, in retaliation for previous Arab murders of Jews including the Jerusalem bus bombing and other, unanswered outrages. Goldstein was wrong to take matters into his own hands (He should have let the IDF handle things) but I can’t work up much moral outrage at what he did.
If you are seriously investigating this event, then you need to check all Mossad, IDF and police information leading up to the murders. There was an all-0ut ARAB MASSACRE in the making (a repeat of 1929) for Purim day, you will note that hatchets & axes(typical Arab weapons) plus spears and knives were found under the carpets in the Arab hall (Yitzchak aveinus ohel)after the attack by Baruch Goldstein. QUESTION #1: Why were these items hidden there in a mosque? (if not to initiate a Purim Massacre that Haman never succeeded in!!)
Dr. Goldstein had a medical clinic where he treated Arabs and Jews alike and was known as a stable, efficient and well-liked doctor, not as an extremist. After the murder of the Arabs it was found that most were descendants of 1929 residents of Chevron.
QUESTION #2: Arabs never retaliate by killing Jews, it is an ongoing war to rid the land of infidels. Why are you assuming that 12 Israelis were murdered due to Goldstein’s act?
You are correct in saying that a minuscule amount of extremists are wrong for considering Baruch Goldstein a hero. On the contrary, he murdered innocent Palestinians , and indirectly caused the deaths of 5 of our Jewish brothers and sisters, however, this baruch Goldstein terrorist attack cannot be equated to palestinian terror attacks, since the Israeli Goverment took appropriate actions to condemn this attack,and took away the shrine to discourage him turning into a martyr and the Israeli gov. considers his party to be a terrorist organization.
Ultimate, Perhaps those particular 12 Jews would have not been killed or maybe they would have been killed anyway. Certainly other Jews were killed in continuing Arab attacks and are being killed still today. You seem to be assuming that if Goldstein had not killed 29 Arabs then the Arabs would not have killed any more Jews. That is transparent nonsense. There may yet be peace between Israel and the Palestinian Authority but there will never be peace between the Jews of Israel and the Arab and other Muslim until we kill all of them or they kill all of us or they give up trying or we abandon Israel and our Faith. Make no mistake. Those who attack Jews in Israel don’t simply want to defeat and eliminate Israel, they want to eliminate Jews. I realize that is a hard calculus but sometimes that’s all there is.
How can you say anyone is responsible for retaliatory actions? Governments may have the right to attack enemy soldiers to prevent further bloodshed, but individuals do not.
I don’t believe that one man can be blamed for this so-called retaliation.
Since I’m not a very well educated Jew, are you able to provide evidence that says he is responsible? (talmudic, halachic, rabbinic, scriptural, or otherwise?)
>> You are correct in saying that a minuscule amount
>> of extremists are wrong for considering Baruch
>> Goldstein a hero.
I have studied US conduct in 1945, Korean War, and Vietnam War. In wars with Japan and North Korea, terror bombing which killed hundreds of thousands civilians was US policy.
During Soviet War in Afghanistan reprisal massacres of Afghan civilians were a part of the policy. The French used similar tactics in Algeria.
“”murdered innocent Palestinians” — YEAH Innocent Palestinians who were hiding axes and hatchets under their prayer mats. Innocent Palestinians yelling out “Ackbar Jiden” “Allah Achbar”…
Yeah Innocent Palestinians, are you for real? The Arab Clan of Chevron is the most vicious, evil, cruel group ever, just check out the rock throwing, murders of Jews that have occurred in this area since 1967.
It would be wise to remember that these posts are public and available to all with a Google search. I seem to have mis-heard some people on this thread, as one could get the impression that there are frum Jews who believe that murdering non-Jews at prayer is somehow okay and the only problem I could be that, in retaliation, Jews might get killed. For the sake of clarity and in case anyone reading may have also misheard, I’d just like mention that our tradition does not condone the murder of innocent people, whether Jewish or non-Jewsh. Period.
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