BARUCH DAYAN HAEMES!!!

Actually, he said during the 2008 campaign that he would kill Bin Laden. He kept his promise.

Charlie,

there are reports that if Bin Laden would’ve cooperated they wouldn’t have killed him but he went down shooting (I guess that statement wasn’t completely true)

Do you think Obama will have better chance to be reelected?

DY, OK here’s another joke: After a shidduch is made, Plony comes to one of the mechutanim asking for shadchanus gelt. “You?” the mechutan says, “I don’t owe you a cent, you didn’t say a single word!”

“That’s right,” says Plony, “Had I said a single word, the shidduch would never happen!”

I don’t get this discussion.

You want me to like Obama more now? You want me think he is good president now?

I don’t see why this changes anything I think about him. All I heard was more apologizing for islam.

one can never know the full truth but this AP release sure makes it seem that obama acted with intelligence and courage:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20110502/US.Bin.Laden.Hunt.for.Bin.Laden/

heres some of it:

In August 2010, the courier unknowingly led authorities to a compound in the northeast Pakistani town of Abbottabad, where al-Libi had once lived. The walls surrounding the property were as high as 18 feet and topped with barbed wire. Intelligence officials had known about the house for years, but they always suspected that bin Laden would be surrounded by heavily armed security guards. Nobody patrolled the compound in Abbottabad.

In fact, nobody came or went. And no telephone or Internet lines ran from the compound. The CIA soon believed that bin Laden was hiding in plain sight, in a hideout especially built to go unnoticed. But since bin Laden never traveled and nobody could get onto the compound without passing through two security gates, there was no way to be sure.

Despite that uncertainty, intelligence officials realized this could represent the best chance ever to get to bin Laden. They decided not to share the information with anyone, including staunch counterterrorism allies such as Britain, Canada and Australia.

By mid-February, the officials were convinced a “high-value target” was hiding in the compound. President Barack Obama wanted to take action.

“They were confident and their confidence was growing: ‘This is different. This intelligence case is different. What we see in this compound is different than anything we’ve ever seen before,'” John Brennan, the president’s top counterterrorism adviser, said Monday. “I was confident that we had the basis to take action.”

Options were limited. The compound was in a residential neighborhood in a sovereign country. If Obama ordered an airstrike and bin Laden was not in the compound, it would be a huge diplomatic problem. Even if Obama was right, obliterating the compound might make it nearly impossible to confirm bin Laden’s death.

Said Brennan: “The president had to evaluate the strength of that information, and then made what I believe was one of the most gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory.”

Obama tapped two dozen members of the Navy’s elite SEAL Team Six to carry out a raid with surgical accuracy.

Before dawn Monday morning, a pair of helicopters left Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan. The choppers entered Pakistani airspace using sophisticated technology intended to evade that country’s radar systems, a U.S. official said.

Officially, it was a kill-or-capture mission, since the U.S. doesn’t kill unarmed people trying to surrender. But it was clear from the beginning that whoever was behind those walls had no intention of surrendering, two U.S. officials said.

The helicopters lowered into the compound, dropping the SEALs behind the walls. No shots were fired, but shortly after the team hit the ground, one of the helicopters came crashing down and rolled onto its side for reasons the government has yet to explain. None of the SEALs was injured, however, and the mission continued uninterrupted.

Thanks to sophisticated satellite monitoring, U.S. forces knew they’d likely find bin Laden’s family on the second and third floors of one of the buildings on the property, officials said. The SEALs secured the rest of the property first, then proceeded to the room where bin Laden was hiding. In the ensuing firefight, Brennan said, bin Laden used a woman as a human shield.

The SEALs killed bin Laden with a bullet to the head. Using the call sign for his visual identification, one of the soldiers communicated that “Geronimo” had been killed in action, according to a U.S. official.

Bin Laden’s body was immediately identifiable, but the U.S. also conducted DNA testing that identified him with near 100 percent certainty, senior administration officials said. Photo analysis by the CIA, confirmation on site by a woman believed to be bin Laden’s wife, and matching physical features such as bin Laden’s height all helped confirm the identification. At the White House, there was no doubt.

“I think the accomplishment that very brave personnel from the United States government were able to realize yesterday is a defining moment in the war against al-Qaida, the war on terrorism, by decapitating the head of the snake known as al-Qaida,” Brennan said.

U.S. forces searched the compound and flew away with documents, hard drives and DVDs that could provide valuable intelligence about al-Qaida, a U.S. official said. The entire operation took about 40 minutes, officials said.

Thanks, Mr. 80.

So, actually, I looked up the midrash.

http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37463&st=&pgnum=69

The conversation with the malachim was only before the jews came out. After the jews came out, they were both able to say shira.

In any event, whether our joy is tempered or not, the ikkar is certainly joy. ????? ????? ????

And after some googling, I got the real midrash. It is a gemara in sanhedrin:

http://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=24&daf=39b&format=pdf

The gemara begins by citing a pasuk about when ???? was killed. The passuk says: ?????? ???? ?????.

The gemara comments that this is the rinah which was referred to when the passuk said ????? ????? ????.

The gemara then asks that we find that Hashem is not happy when reshaim die, because He would rather they do teshuva. The gemara cites two proofs to this, one of them that Hashem did not want the malachim to say shira on the yam suf.

The gemara responds: ??? ???? ??, ??? ????? ????- Hashem is not happy, but people are happy.

Thus the Jews are supposed to be happy when ???? was killed, and when the mitzrim drown, but Hashem himself has a different perspective. This explains the contradiction.

MOSHIACH!!!! COME ALREADY!!!

I don’t listen to radio at all; I read his transcripts.

Last night I was at a social/networking event with other attorneys and the subject of OBL came up. A colleague, who happens to be a WASP, opined that he wished that OBL had been captured and put on trial.

“Like the Israelis did with Eichmann?” I asked. “Exactly,” he replied.

What do you think?

I am personally opposed to trials for unashamed, admitted murderers. Just a waste of time and taxpayers’ money. And who would have wanted the responsibility of guarding him until his execution? A trial gives hope to terrorists’ friends that they can get these monsters free through more terrorism (after all, it always works with Israel – they let hundreds of terrorists free, to save one Jew).