BAN SEAFRIA.

Who doesn’t know this?

Its used becasue it is excellent and easily searchable

Let’s say it is run by reform Jews. If they are transcribing the texts accurately why should it make a difference?
Sounds like two good things could result
A) Give a big zechus to people who may not have many
B) Encourage more non-Orthodox Jews to study the texts on the website

They do not have a policy to filter the texts or even translations. But it is set up to be a resource of Torah, and it is the best by far.

@takamamash, I think is the latter, and unlike most of them he make no attempt to hide the fact.

Sefaria is an amazing tool. It is also an open platform. It will be used by anyone who wants to learn from it and contribute to it. Just like a sefarim store is open to anyone who wants to come in and buy sefarim. And the internet is open to anyone with a browser and an internet connection.

The question now is what you want to do with it. If you don’t want to contribute to the source sheets, the shiurim, etc – because there are “open orthodox” and fully “non orthodox” and possibly even non-Jewish academics using it – don’t contribute. I would similarly recommend you avoid these sections of the app/site.

Even “just” as a resource for access to texts alone, Sefaria is incredible. Use it for what makes sense to you.

Or ignore it entirely.

We use the chapters as a reference but don’t sanctify it. The Alshich Hakadash says on the pasuk כי ראתה גוים באו מקדשה the last letters make up Hashem י-ה-ו-ה but the goyim separate it. Look where they placed the first chapter?

takahmamash:
Actually, if you believe in Hashem and Chazal then, yes, there are halachic limitations on women learning Torah.

The Chasam Sofer combines her two pesakim of making the bracha first and lighting late on Yom Tov to explain the Mishna in Shabbos 24 of not burning kodshim on Yom Tov.

BigBochur:
You “stumbled” across two things (a Beis Hamedrash filled with women and videos of women singing chazonas), neither of which I have seen in my hundreds of visits to that site.
So how is it that you stumbled across these TWO things and I haven’t stumbled across even one?

How often have you used that site?
What were you searching for, when “stumbling across” TWO seemingly unrelated things?

As an experienced user, I couldn’t find EITHER ONE of the things you mentioned, even intentionally, searching both “Women Beit Midrash” and “Women Chazonut”.
And yet you, dear bochur, found BOTH, without even trying!

Given that I can’t find these things, even by searching for them and you find them even without searching for them, I partially agree with you about the ban.

You, dear bochur, who so innocently stumbles across michsholim, even on Sefaria, should DEFINITELY ban yourself from Sefaria and from the internet in general.

If you can’t ban yourself and need a Rabbi to ban you instead, I have semikha and would be happy to oblige

Chaim , some small corrections. Daniel Bromberg did not create chapters and verses. Chapters were created in 1227 by Stephen Langton. ( Archbishop of Cantebury ) and verses by Rabbi in 1448. It was done to make it easier to link a commentary to a passuk.The first printed Gemorahs were done by the Soncinos and they created the format, not Bromberg, who simply copied their format, with one significant change.
Look at the bottom of any page in any Masechta , and you’ll see the first word in Rashi, Tosfos, and the Gemorah on the next page.Why? The Soncinos didn’t use page numbers and this was their way of making sure the pages got bound in the correct order.
Decades later, Bromberg modified th e Soncinos format to include page nunbers. He started the practise of labeling the first page of the Gemorah as Page 2 ( daf b ). Why? Not for any mystical reasons, but because he considered the title page to be Page 1. BTW , the Soncinos could only afford to print , i think, 2 ir 3 masechtos. Bromberg printed the entire Shas.
One more note. Rashi script had nothing to do with Rashi; it was a 15th century Sephardic script used by Soncinos and Bromberg when printing Rashi’s commentary to make it easier to distinguish Rashi from the text he was commenting on.

They say that there is no page 1 in the gemora to learn a lesson to review our learning as we never really began to learn in the first place. The four wide lines in the gemora teaches how everyone heard the Torah learning four times.
The Sages taught the baraisa: What was the order of teaching the Oral Law? Moshe Rabbenu learned directly from the mouth of the Hashem. Aaron entered and sat before him, and Moshe Rabbenu taught him his lesson as he had learned it from G-d. Aaron moved aside and sat to the left of Moshe Rabbenu. Aaron’s sons entered, and Moshe Rabbenu taught them their lesson while Aaron listened. Aaron’s sons moved aside; Elazar sat to the right of Moshe Rabbenu and Itamar sat to the left of Aaron… The elders entered and Moshe Rabbenu taught them their lesson. The elders moved aside, and the entire nation entered and Moshe Rabbenu taught them their lesson. Therefore, Aaron had heard the lesson four times, his sons heard it three times, the elders heard it twice, and the entire nation heard it once.
Moshe Rabbenu then departed to his tent, and Aaron taught the others his lesson as he had learned it from Moshe Rabbenu. Aaron then departed and his sons taught the others their lesson. His sons then departed and the elders taught the rest of the people their lesson. Hence everyone, Aaron, his sons, the elders and all the people, heard the lesson taught by G-d four times.

Reb Eliezer, with all due respect, you’re ignoring the fact that Bromberg cane up witn the page numbering system and it wasn’t mystical. Who exactly are the ” they say ” ? Did the they say know who Bromberg was ?

BigBochur: Perhaps you thought that since mommy allowed you to wear your “bigboy pants” that also was an authorization to Troll on a site where you are up against some world-class trollers. For example, you commented that Dr. Judith Hauptman was the first woman to receive a PhD in Talmud. You neglected to note that she is one of the most brilliant authors and commentators on judaic studies and is consistently cited for her insights. Perhaps aspire to her madregah and stop publicly flaunting your ignorance.

Is she “marbitz torah” when she says that women count in a minyan?

It seems that some bochurim are not aware of recent Jewish history and use “Reform” simply as a swear word. There is a difference between a non-halachik movement, like Reform, and possible halachic disagreements, even vehement ones. Say, R Feinstein was against women learning Gemora, his son on law respectfully disagreed. I am not sure where R Feinstein’s daughter stands on this, but at least one of granddaughters learned Gemora … would it be an insult to R Feinstein to say that he married his daughter to a Reform Rabbi?!

Again, your position might have strong support, and you may be able to explain gemora Kidushin to Beruriah (is it the one that teaching daughters Torah is teaching her silliness or the one that if someone does not teach his son a job makes him into a gangster?) – but don’t call people inappropriate names.

AAQ – are you aware that when people find new and different interpretations of halacha it is problematic? I am always intrigued by your cry of lashon hora everytime someone who has altered halacha is spoken against. You don’t like when “your guys” get called out for making new paths. Sorry. You are aware, I assume that we don’t do live and let live unless it is all within halacha, right?
As you said above – the men have beards and the women tichels so they must be frum. huh?

Did that have any connection to what i wrote?

I wonder if we could get back to the matter of innocent bochurim like BIGBOCHUR innocently going to Sefaria, going to Psalm 27:4, looking at the meforshim there (commentaries) and upon clicking on one of those commentaries being innocently led not to a mefaresh, but to a video of a woman singing, “stumbling” into it, when actually clicking on something else.

I have not been able to reproduce this result.
Could the rest of the oylam here see if they can?

Thanks!

I love how some people can lump a tzadekes of a rebbetzin who due to being raised among gedolim picked up quite a bit of knowledge, with a feminist conservative “rabbit” who denies torah misinai and flouts halacha.

Actually, I don’t love it. Sheker sonaysi ve’esaeivah.

Syag Lchochm:

This thread is called “Ban Sefaria.”
The argument given that it should be banned is BIGBOCHUR’s claim that while searching that site for mefarshim to a certain posuk, he innocently “stumbled upon” a video of a woman singing.

I have not been able to reproduce that finding.
Anytime I click on any mefaresh on that pasuk, I get what it says I will get.
I have not been able to reproduce a situation where I thought I was clicking on a mefaresh and instead had a video of a woman singing.

I do not see the justification for banning that site if the given justification is not reproducible.

If you want to start another thread about the halachic argument to have Gedolim ban things using claims for which there’s no evidence, that would be an interesting thread, if you want to start one.

“If you want to start another thread about the halachic argument to have Gedolim ban things using claims for which there’s no evidence”

I said nothing of the sort. This misrepresentation of the conversation sounds like more diversion. That’s why I questioned your motive. I agree with your assumptions about his “find”, and I strongly disagree with his approach to “public education”. But that doesn’t negate the fact that people have to be careful who their sources are. While “the men have beards” seems to work for AAQ even though most did not have yarmulkes, I prefer sources more aligned with mesorah despite their strong academics.
Again, your point is well taken but don’t whitewash.

“He asked a question and I answered it.”

yes. And then you carried on with a few other comments. I was addressing those.