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Is there a reason to be makpid on cholov yisroel baby formula or is it being overly machmir?
Ask your LOR.
The Wolf
Why is it any different than what you do for yourself?
If you can get Materna, it’s good formula (according to our pediatrician) and it’s not more expensive than Similac or Enfamil (at least not much more, I haven’t compared exact prices per ounce).
I was told not to use it. But I guess you should feed your baby what you would eat (Kashrus-wise).
I also used Materna for my babies.
Breastfeeding is the healthiest.
If you want *true* chalav yisrael, nurse 🙂
We also use Materna, food from Eretz Yisroel!
Not all Materna is Cholov Yisroel. In EY, there’s regular milk formula, soy formula, and Materna l’Mehadrin. Only the Mehadrin one is Cholov Yisroel. I don’t know what they sell in the US so I’m just mentioning that.
FYI,
similac has a soy formula that’s pareve
:p> mbachur <d:
what you eat effects you no? noo matter if you are 1 day old or 100 years old!
That’s good to know. I’ve only seen the mehadrin (CY) one in the US.
i don’t know if it works halachicly though,
i just heaard this past week that a kid below chinuch technically can eat basar b’chalav just you can’t feed him it
You expect an infant to feed himself formula? 🙂
whatever you would do for yourself do for your baby (kashrus) chinuch starts as soon as the child is born.
right but you still have to be careful though you won’t give him chazer so you won’t give him something else that is not up to par with the rest of your eating habits no??!! and it’s not like there is nothing else that the baby will starve!! think long term not short term(like saving a couple of pennies!! think to yourself honestly does it really pay?!??!
no daas, i’m not saying that, i’m stating that if it’s fine for a kid to eat basar b’chalav i don’t think chalav stam will harm him
(I think i’m slowly seeing where this is going, I take CY as a chumra (which i follow), I eat dairy equipment, anbd would give someone else something that has an OU-D on it)
mbachur,
If someone keeps CY as a chumra, I think it might still be consistent to not be makpid on formula if there was difficulty involved. But if CY formula is available at a cost differential similar to that of other dairy products, it would seem to me that there would not be grounds to be meikil purely based on the fact that the child is below the age of chinuch.
aldough a baby is not yet the age for chinuch and we dont have to stop him from eating nonkosher there is still a timtum halev so if you dont drink Ch”A then you should not give it to your infent.
Deiyez- PLEASE use spellcheck!!
Someone is realy bored tonight………
BTW I use spellcheck when I work on microsoft word but I need to figure out how to use it in the CR, now if you can help me with that then you won’t have to put up with my spelling mistakes…..
And since you know yiddish its not Deiyez Its Deiye Zooger or ??? ?????…
smartcookie: Why? It’s cuter that way!
Materna formula has now been pulled off shelves in US due to the fact that it is missing some nutrient. You can get Cholov Yisroel liquid Similac.
Not every baby can stomach Isomil. Many can’t
Deiya! Sorry- hope you’re not offended but my eyes hurt!
Are you posting from a computer or phone?
DZ, if you install and use a different browser than Internet Explorer, such as Firefox, spell-checking can be done from the reply box.
I just started my baby on formula upon the advice of my doctor in Israel. He told me to give soy based Similac which comes in from America as apposed to Materna. I also spoke to my pediatrician in NY who also told me Similac. Maybe this has to do with my baby in particular but I am just sharing the info.
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Then try Firefox.
Phyllis- Similac is one of the best formulas out there, but the Cholov Yisroel one is very expensive.
Cholov yisroel similac is also advantageous as if you are in a pinch you can also get non-cholov yisrael easily without switching your babys formula. There have been many quality control issues with non-us brand formulas in terms of nutrition needs many people in Eretz Yisrael and Europe supplement with vitamin drops due to deficiencies.And yes the above poster was correct Materna has been at least temporarily pulled from USA shelves
If what abcd2 wrote is correct (about vitamin deficiencies), it would seem there would be an excellent reason to use non-chalav yisrael formula.
A growing baby should NOT be deprived of important nutrients.
If what abcd2 wrote is correct (about vitamin deficiencies), it would seem there would be an excellent reason to use non-chalav yisrael formula.
A growing baby should NOT be deprived of important nutrients.
True, but Similac is still available in CY, so it would depend on one’s financial situation and which posek one follows (don’t forget that some are not matir under any circumstances).
a lot depends on what type of shidduch you hope to make for your baby.
I hear many boys won’t go out with a girl who chas veshalom drank cholov stam formula. Shadchanim are starting to ask about this, right after they ask about whether or not the family uses plastic tablecloths on Shabbos. Sometimes the baby formula question even comes before.
WolfishMusings: I usually just go direct and ask my LOR(D)
DY, I can’t imagine any posek would assur non-CY formula in all cases. That’s different than saying limited cases.
I don’t know much about formula in EY and we don’t keep CY. But the health of a growing baby is more important than almost anything. Malnutrition in the early years is very dangerous.
Shrek way to funny:)!!!
If someone keeps CY as a chumra, I think it might still be consistent to not be makpid on formula if there was difficulty involved. But if CY formula is available at a cost differential similar to that of other dairy products, it would seem to me that there would not be grounds to be meikil purely based on the fact that the child is below the age of chinuch.
sorry, been really busy today.
Idk abt NY but WIC out of state only provides for the goyishe brands
(admittedly, when good start, soy formula was available we got it)
SJSinNYC,
I prefaced my comment by noting that there is CY Similac formula available, it’s just more expensive. I know people who were told to use treif formula in cases where the infant couldn’t tolerate kosher ones, so I would agree that if no other formula was available, chalav stam would certainly be better! But there are definitely poskim who aren’t matir chalav stam simply for expense. (When I wrote under any circumstances, I didn’t mean even pikuach nefesh.)
mbachur,
If the chalav stam is free, that would certainly constitute grounds to be meikil according to R’ Moshe.
For those who consider CY a chumra, but do keep it, I think it’s a good question, whether one should use soy based formula instead of milk based formula, to avoid CS.
For those who consider CY a chumra, but do keep it, I think it’s a good question, whether one should use soy based formula instead of milk based formula, to avoid CS.
what’s the question?
Should one use soy based formula instead of milk based formula, to avoid CS? Or is milk based formula significantly better than soy based, warranting using the CS?
Not to address the practical question (ask your Posek!), but people should be aware that soy based formulas are significantly less healthy than milk based ones, and new studies are showing there may be significant health issues involved with consuming large amounts of soy products. Obviously if a baby can’t tolerate the milk based formula there may be no choice, but if it’s due to the CY issue, make sure to speak to your Dr. and get all the information to present when asking your Shailah.
Also, many of the soy based formulas still contain milk products (I believe Similac’s does. . .)
to daas yochid: doctors recommend milk based formula as it is better for most babies in terms of nutrition,digestion, and certain fat and proteins. Soy based is usually given only as a second choice due to some babies having difficulty digesting milk. Additionally in some cases babies are overly sensitive and can suffer from a soy overload.
Just a friendly reminder if anybody here is a first time parent, we are almost shloshim yom kodem hachag. A parent must buy formula before pesach, as well as purchase new bottles and pacifiers. Bottles should be cleaned and rinsed in a nonfood(ie bathroom) sink due to kitnoyos concerns. It is preferable but NOT a halachic necessity (as stated by OU R Blumenkrantz ZTL and others) to buy liquid premade formula (I believe the reason being this way you are not preparing the kitniyos mixtures yourself on yom tov.) Obviously there is no inyan of kitniyos for the baby.
“There have been many quality control issues with non-us brand formulas in terms of nutrition needs many people in Eretz Yisrael and Europe supplement with vitamin drops due to deficiencies”
I researched this thoroughly and there is no truth to the above statement. Formula in EY are comparable to American brands and vitamin drops have nothing to do with lack of nutrition from formula. Even breastfed babies are given vitamin D drops.
ABCD:
“the reason being this way you are not preparing the kitniyos mixtures yourself on yom tov”
– you may own kitnios on Pesach; You may use kitnios on Pesach; you may touch kitnios on Pesach; you may NOT consume kitnios on Pesach….
Preparing (ie touching) kitnios on Pesach is ok. Probably better to buy premade to avoid spillage on your dishes etc….but it’s not because you’re doing it yourself…
and the reason there is no inyan of kitniyos for a baby is b/c s/he is a choleh.
If you want *true* chalav yisrael, nurse 🙂
There’s a pre-1A rebbe who teaches that Moshe Rabbeinu wouldn’t eat from a non-Jewish nurse because it wasn’t chalav Yisrael!
DY, that makes more sense. That’s why I was surprised by your statement. I know of people who used treif formula (in rare cases) too.
doctors recommend milk based formula
Formula in EY are comparable to American brands
Our pediatrician has told us both of these as well.
to little EEma: There actually is a halachic preference (Chumra)to use liquid but as i stated I only guessed the reason. I will look it up or ask the person in the ou that i know.In terms of spillage and otherwise, this is not a concern as one should not pour the formula and bottles near any pesachdik items all mainstream kashrus authorities say to keep it separate and wash the items and prepare in the bathroom.I will hopefully get the answer soon. Additionally as i stated there obviously is no Inyan of kitniyos for babies
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