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we’ve been talkiing all this time about trump and the republicans so now the question is who would YOU vote for (this includes Biden, because i thhink he will run in the end) and why?
It is going to be a Biden + Warren/Castro Democrat ticket.
Hillary is losing support on a daily basis, according to the polls.
If there was a Democratic party primary with the 3 candidates:
Biden, Clinton, Sanders…I’d vote Sanders.
I have no questions about his honesty and integrity. He has never sold out to special interests.
That said, I don’t expect such a primary to happen. I first met Hillary Rodham when she was a student at Yale Law School in the early 1970s (introduced by Joe Lieberman) in my home town of New Haven. I felt then that she was the smarter of the Clintons and would go far. I think she can beat Joe Biden hands down in primaries and fundraising and barring a Sanders surge or surprise late entry into the race she will be the candidate.
In all candor, I don’t think middle America will vote for a socialist Jew after 8 years of a Black President. They are ready for another White Protestant, not a Roman Catholic such as Biden (or Jeb Bush for that matter-born a WASP but converted to Catholicism).
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Coffee Addict,
There are millions of Democrats, just these are the three in the limelight right now.
My post states ‘barring a surprise late entry into the race’
Right now these are the people in play.
HAhaHAhaHAha!!!
Clinton, MmpPhh!! Sanders OHahaha!!
BIDEN HAHAHAHAHA only in America.
To funny
The Democrat party is a bifayresh rayah the Aybeshte feert da velt
I would prefer Biden but the nominee will be Clinton. And she will easily defeat any of the Republicans.
Sanders would make a great President but he ended his political career with his recent flipflop on guns.
Based on the following comment posted about Jimmy Carter being ill:
“1 .Comment from Charlie Hall
August 13, 2015 at 12:30 am
May he have a miraculous recovery and in gratitude for that miracle retract all the awful things he has said about Israel.”
We know who one Democrat would vote for. Quite possibly the worst president ever and a terrible Israel hater.
I rest my case
Thanks Charlie
What about that post says he would vote for him?
Coffee addict……….
I have heard of Martin O’Malley, I’ve even met Lincoln Chafee.
I don’t consider either of them as serious candidates for the nomination.
As you say, Chafee is from my neighboring state to the east, Clinton from the neighboring state to the west, and Sanders straight up the Connecticut River..only 60 miles separate CT from Vermont.
That said, I am a member of the Democratic Town Committee where I live and a delegate to the CT Democratic State Convention in 2016. There has been no activity by Chafee or O’Malley attempting to win our votes. We are a small state, but get extra votes at the national convention because we’ve voted D in the past Presidential elections and have an elected D administration plus all members of Congress.
Coffee Addict,,,When I say ‘in play’ I mean having an actual organization working in many states to gather votes, support, raise funds, hold functions, rallies, contact delegates to the state convention….
I’ve been to 3 Hillary events and 2 for Sanders, I regularly get calls and email from both. I have also been contacted by the chair of a state committee that has organized itself to support Biden if he enters the race.
Not one peep from the other 2
I voted for Carter in 1976. It was my first Presidential election. And I have no regrets. And anyone who knows how bad Ford was to Israel would not disagree with me. Carter was a significant improvement.
Carter as President wasn’t that bad and he was a substantial improvement over Ford. It was after he left office that he turned into a rasha. He is probably the second worst ex-President ever, after John Tyler, who committed actual treason as an ex-President.
charliehall: Bill Clinton committed treason as President, by giving advanced computer technology to China in exchange for campaign contributions. Here is part of a Washington Post article:
“House Rebukes Clinton on China Satellite Export
By John F. Harris and Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, May 21, 1998; Page A01
In a series of nearly unanimous votes, the House yesterday said President Clinton failed to act in “the national interest” earlier this year when he gave permission for a Chinese satellite launch to a U.S. aerospace firm with close Democratic ties, and moved to block him from approving similar exports.
With all but a handful of Democrats joining the House GOP majority, legislators rebuked Clinton’s handling of a critical aspect of U.S.-China policy — commerce in militarily sensitive technology — just a month before he is to make a long-planned trip to Beijing. One of the measures, effectively banning all further exports of commercial satellites to China, would terminate current and pending deals by U.S. companies valued at hundreds of millions of dollars.”
I see you also conveniently left off Obama.
Charlie,
Carter was a disaster as a president. His economic polo ivied, domestic and foreign policies were disastrous.
Only a rabid democrat could think there was anything positive about his presidency, and that’s only because bleeding heart liberals consider causing individuals pain a positive.
Democrat=Machala Sheayn bo Refuah
Homer, you haven’t written about any problems with the Democratic party. How about you share with us the actual complaints you have with the party, instead of the silliness you’ve written?
Coffee Addict….
Unlike Trump, most candidates don’t spend their own money on the race. neither O’Malley or Chafee have attracted enough interest from donors to finance much of a campaign.
Traditionally many of these minor candidates gather enough ‘favorite son’ delegates to insure a speaking role before a national audience, or to broker a deal putting a candidate over the top.
A speaking role can be a step to stardom, Who ever heard of the state senator from Chicago before Barack Obama gave the Keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention?
Dream on.
“Only a rabid democrat could think there was anything positive about his presidency”
I am sorry that you think that bullying Israel into withdrawing from occupied lands in return for absolutely nothing was a good policy, and that Carter’s ending that policy was not positive. Are you Neturei Karta, by chance?
And I am sorry that you think that withdrawing US support for brutal Latin American dictatorships was not productive. One actually carried out a terrorist attack in Washington DC that cost the life of an American Jew. What would you say to that woman’s family?
And I am sorry that you think that imposing draconian sanctions on the Soviet Union after it invaded Afghanistan was not positive. (Reagan blasted those sanctions and removed them immediately after he took office.)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory rewriting history once again!
As a Jewish Democrat, I can say with a high degree of certainty that I would vote for any Democrat currently being discussed as a candidate over any Republican currently being discussed. I have serious problems with Hillary Clinton, but she will probably implement policies closer to my concerns than any of the 17 current Republican candidates.
What is interesting about the current Republican contest for the nomination is how Donald Trump has taken such an enormous lead. Yes, it is very early, and yes, I expected him to be gone by now, but right now, I do not see who, if anyone, is going to stop him from winning the Republican primaries. The only thing I can think that would stop him is a coalition of mainstream Republican mega-donors who fear that his candidacy would do significant, lasting damage to Republican chances for ever attracting significant support from Hispanics. They are a big and growing chunk of the voting-age population, and if one party can capture them into its base, that party will have a significant advantage in presidential elections for the next 20 years. Republican mainstream mega-donors know this and are probably trying to figure out how they can slow down or stop The Donald.
Typical Charlie, twisting what was said and occurred that it bears no resemblance at all to fact or reality.
You are a heck of a lot closer to Jews for J than I am to Neturei Karta.
“I have serious problems with Hillary Clinton, but she will probably implement policies closer to my concerns than any of the 17 current Republican candidates.”
nfgo3: What, specifically, will Madam Clinton implement that is closer to your concerns than any of the 17 Republicans?
I will respond to Joseph. The responses on my behalf by “coffee addict” are unauthorized, inarticulate and inaccurate. I will give just a few examples.
I think Hillary is more likely to increase infrastructure spending, as none of the Republicans have shown any understanding of the value of government spending in a sluggish (if recovering) economy. Infrastructure spending, funded by government borrowing at record-low rates, would be an important stimulus to the economy and improve US infrastructure. As a resident of the New York/New Jersey Connecticut area, I am particularly sensitive to the need for a new Hudson River rail tunnel, a project that Republican Chris Christie killed several years ago, to the detriment of the citizens of New Jersey.
I think Hillary would resist any efforts at tax cuts for the rich, or at least is more likely to do so than any Republican.
I think Hillary understands the need for appropriate adjustments in the funding of Social Security. A few modest changes will put the program on sound footing for another generation. Privatizing and other simple tricks, like raising retirement age, will be inadequate and counterproductive.
I think Hillary recognizes the success of Obamacare to date, and the need to continue it. Republican rhetoric about Obamacare is nonsense.
I think Hillary’s choices for new Supreme Court justices would be better than the nominees any Republican might pick.
Let me emphasize that I think Hillary is arrogant, dishonest and egocentric. She was wrong about the Iraq war, and could do some dangerous things in the Middle East, especially by getting US troops involved in disputes among Arabs and Muslims, which could have adverse effects on the security of Israel. But all Republican candidates are talking loudly and have not told us what size stick they think they think the US can carry. At best, Hillary will be a barely adequate president, but she appears to be better than the Republicans currently in the race.
Matan:
My first complaint is that they are outright liars.
In these days when everything is recorded from many angles you cant hide your record, past, or lies.
Here are a few, although I literally could go on for many years with no breaks but why waste my time like I said Machala sheayn bo refua but maybe to benefit some who are not as read up on politics I will spend a few min. You can do your own research.
( “You can keep your doctor, insurance etc etc” All of which they knew beforehand as it comes out.)
Biden during debate against Ryan,”I told them it was a war we could not afford, not to do it etc etc” After voting to authorize the war.
Clinton: almost every time she opens her mouth.
Sanders is he only one who I dont know to be a liar, but hes a self declared socialist so. . . .
Once your a proven liar it dont matter what else comes out your mouth next. “this deal with Iran will provide security for Israel” and oh yeah “Did we mention that Iran gets to inspect their own sites”.
Dont get me wrong most R’s are not much better. But a little truth we do get.
While I disagreed with so much that Pres Bush did, a man of INTEGRITY he certainly is. While this president. . . . .
Bush started a war in Iraq, under false pretenses of WMDs, but that was a total lie.
“Sanders is he only one who I dont know to be a liar, but hes a self declared socialist so. . . .”
So what? If you have complaints with socialism, say what they are. Socialism is a scary word for many Americans, but most don’t even know what it means.
Homer,
You post generalizations and untruths (LIES) as well.
You defame Hillary Clinton claiming she lies almost every time she opens her mouth. You don’t like her, fine, but you have no way of knowing the truth of her every uttererance.
“Mrs. Clinton, would you like coffee or tea?”
“I’ll have coffee, thank you” and you would label it a lie.
Affordable Care Act–You FALSELY claim you can’t keep the same doctors, etc.
Are you covered under the ACA?
I previously had private coverage with Anthem Blue Cross/Blue Shield. They dropped all small groups. My small law firm replaced it through the CT Healthcare exchange and coverage is written by Connecticare. Not one doctor change or hospital change or pharmacy change was necessary. In fact I have a wider choice of pharmacies than before.
Methinks you protest too much and your hate for Democrats and Liberals shows your true self.
You can’t show a lie by Bernie Sanders so you dismiss him as a Socialist.
Homer
“You can keep your doctor, insurance etc etc” All of which they knew beforehand as it comes out
It isnt just “They” who knew. It is everybody who understood the aleph-beis of obamacare. Including some of the republican leadership (not all, since most arent very bright or they just pretend not to be to pander to their base)
So why didnt they call him out on the “lie” at the time?
While you think about that. Here is another question, What percentage would have to keep their doctor in order for the statment “You can keep your doctor” be true. (Consider if a teacher tells the class “You did really well” How many would have had to do well for the statment to be true, these percentages dont have to be the same)
100%?
99%?
95%? 90? 75? 51? Some other number?
Hold of looking up how many can keep their doctor under obamacre, thats cheating.
Sanders isn’t much of a socialist. Can anyone cite a single private business that got taken over when he was Mayor of Burlington, Vermont? (BTW even though Sanders started decades of rule by leftists in Burlington, its unemployment rate was 2.6% according to the last complete statistics in May. Would that “socialism” could do that for the US!)
Funny how so many people who complain about how the Affordable Care Act made it impossible to keep ones doctor want to make it impossible for several times as many Americans to keep ones doctor by repealing it!
“Charlie and the Chocolate Factory rewriting history once again!”
Everything I wrote was fact. Everything. Sorry you are so assimilated into right wing Republicanism that you have to deny reality.
Matan, nfgo: You’d rather have Saddam around so here could murder more Jews with his scuds? You make mighty fine Arabists!
Re Obamacare, Obama swore on his mother’s life that no one would have to give up their existing insurance. A mighty lie that turned out to be.
Machala sheayn bo refuah.
Heres a good one , How many times did you hear the Pres. say” I just found out about it on the ‘news’ just like you”
🙂
Socialism has been tried the world over. Anyone can read a drop of history or current events and see socialism in action.
Its not a hard thing to understand so to say one doesnt understand socialism is a bit of a stretch. Its in front of us every day.
And oh yeah IT FAILS everywhere.
But well do it right of course the Dems say.
“Im from the government and Im here to help”
Joseph……….
making things up are you?
President Obama’s mother died of ovarian cancer in 1995. He became President on January 20, 2009.
Is your hatred so great that you must post untruths?
CTLAWYER, as I told you a million times, everyone I’ve met from Connecticut is such a literalist.
Joseph
“Obama swore on his mother’s life that no one would have to give up their existing insurance.”
Source?
No I dont think you are lying. I think you are exagerating to make a point. Something readily apparent to all reasonable people.
At the risk of being “back to… old card tricks of repeating points that were answered.”
What percentage of Americans would ahve to keep their Doctors for the Statment “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor” be considered true albeit an exagerationn as opposed to a lie.
Socialism fails everywhere?
Homer, care to elaborate on how it has failed everywhere?
I don’t know about everywhere, though I do know it didn’t work out too well when the National Socialist Party took over in one particular country.
ubiquitin – altho i stay clear of politics and political discussions, i just wanted to throw in a comment about your question because it really isn’t about the politics.
If you are just wanting to make a point that most people will not be inconvenienced, and you say, “everyone can keep their doctor”, than a very large percentage of people keeping their doctors could indeed be enough to qualify that as truth.
BUT – if you are rolling out a new program, and you say that in this new program “everyone can keep their doctor”, then you are telling us that that is what the protocols of the new program are. That is telling us that the new program that YOU are introducing, is INCLUDING the option of keeping your doctor. It is a completely different meaning. and the expectation is to find a little box on the form that says, “List name of your doctor, cuz you’ll get to keep him”
If I tell you that 40% of the applicants will get in, you will take that as a rough estimate. If I am in charge of admissions and i tell you that 40% of the applicants will get in, then you should consider that protocol and should expect to be able to count on that as a fact.
Keeping your doctor was given as a sneak preview/description of the program, it was not listed as a “lets hope”, “well try for it” etc. Any percentage under 100% having the option is unacceptable.
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