At first I thought, what are the Libs thinking (or are they?)

What makes you think that the democrats run on logic as opposed to emotions?

Participant:

Make sure to give extra time for those that are against this checkmate move in order to reply.

That have a lot of chazarah to do on CNN, NYT, the Atlantic…etc , in order for them to have a formed opinion given to them.

Maybe Republicans should be more positive when doing that. Explain to everyone that they send them to good states, warn those states when the buses are on the way (or almost there) – or are they afraid that Dems will not let them out of the bus? Make sure the driver gets out of the bus with keys. Maybe have a remote control to stop it from moving.

Sending people voluntarily from an overcrowded processing facility where they sleep on bedrolls with tinfoil blankets in 100 degree weather to a not overcrowded city to stay in a hotel in a decent room on a real bed where you are processed by people who declared themselves sanctuaries is NOT evil. And it is not proven true that the receiving cities were not informed. Forwarding them on without choice pretending you don’t have blankets, and flying people in the middle of the night to places who did NOT declare themselves sanctuaries and WITHOUT informing them even AFTER they landed…that may not be evil but it sure is disgusting, inhumane and political.

Zap – just made that true post disappear for the sake of any democrats who don’t want it to have happened.

In addition to what jack said, democrats say that border states receive millions in funding to build infrastructure to receive these immigrants.

What they don’t realize is that there is nothing inhumane about taking an immigrant who dropped themself off in a random city whose infrastructure is too overwhelmed to properly handle them and dropping them off in another random city. The point is being made very loudly and clearly yet many choose to remain deaf eared to the source of the problem. The borders are open and the US can not absorb the about of people entering with any semblance of dignity. If the lesson learned here if that Republicans are evil you simply blindly feeding your bias. Democratic leaders need to wake up and understand what the issue is because until they do this will not stop.

These discussions about forwardig, lack of blankets is stam silly. This is a country where anyone can order blanket delivery overnight or even within one hour. any place should be able to house 100 unexpected visitors. Shtetls did it every shabbos.

1. The busing of the somewhat illegal immigrants is a (very successful publicity stunt).

2. One should note that many people on the “blue” side are not supportive of increased immigration, and many on the red side are. The complication is that the “illegals” tend to be hard working and upwardly mobile (meaning they may take away jobs from less industrious American workers), and that they tend to be economic conservatives (most are from socialist-leaning governments, which is why they tend to be pro-capitalism) and social conservatives (anti-abortion, anti-gay and pro-religion).

3. If the government were run by rational people, and given that the US has a serious labor shortage, the federal government would place them in jobs which are otherwise going unfilled, with the federal government bearing the costs (rather than state and local government located by the border). However rationality seems to have gone out of style (it was so 20th century).

To Participant: Learn to spell. “Bussing” is an act of intimacy involving lips. Busing is, among other things, a cheap political stunt that uses the persons bused as political pawns.

I would believe it that the 3 of them ( bera birsha and shinav ) gave the migrants stacks of fake dollar bills that wouldn’t be accepted.
Then when the children die from hunger, the 3 will take the fake bills back and give it to the next group of migrants.

Dont get angry at Jackk – he is simply channeling what he reads. some other smarter people found how to misdirect a losing discussion about migrants into a discussion about DeSantis. I would suggest not to respond. Jackk has previously admitted that he has no problem posting one-sided arguments the way non-Jews do, aka freedom of speech, why would we encourage him to do more by responding? This is pure lifnei ever, and maybe then jackk will start posting something more responsible.

Participant,

(A) “Does NYC, MV, and DC not have jobs, housing, and food? ”

The problem is that they abused immigrants and did not treat them like human beings. The migrants were in Florida or Texas where they were being given their basic needs as they need to deal with the American immigration system.
Lying to them to remove them from such a situation, putting them on a plane and dropping them in the middle of a town that was not notified that they were coming and did not expect them, is the exact way you treat a person that you don’t care if they starve to death.

Listen to the Avraham Aveinu in Texas – Mayor Oscar Leeser, from El Paso, TX :
“Well, the numbers are not 1,300. The numbers are — two days ago we had almost 2,000. ( Jack K’s note – yes, that is 2,000 a day in one town) We had a little bit over 1,900. Yesterday we had — or the day before yesterday we had a little bit over 1,500. So, the numbers have been continuing to increase.

And, you know, that — that’s continued, the rise. And that’s because a lot of the people in — probably about 80 percent of them are coming from Venezuela. And — and that — that’s where a big part of the– the — the migrant surge is coming from.
Well, and, you know, and that’s really something important. And I have a great, incredible working relationship with Chief Chavez (ph) from the Border Patrol. And our goal, and it will continue to be our goal, IS NEVER TO DROP ANYBODY OFF IN THE STREETS of El Paso and make sure that No ONE’S HOMELESS and NO ONE’S HUNGRY.

So we have our NGOs, which is non-governmental organizations that really have opened up their doors and we’ve gotten hotels. And in the last few days WE’VE NOT HAD ANY PEOPLE released into the streets of El Paso and we continue to work that way.

So, you know, it’s been an incredible working relationship between El Paso, the city of El Paso, and also the — Chief Chavez and the Border Patrol. I spent about two, three hours yesterday driving to the border and talking to a lot of the migrants and talking to the Border Patrol agents that really are down here working today.”

All Bera, Birsha and Shinav had to do was call ahead to the proper authorities and involved them in the situation. The US Government immigration system supports the care and needs of immigrants.
In fact they didn’t even have to make the call because NY and DC called them asking them if they are sending immigrants. They refused to coordinate.

(B) ” NYC, MV, and DC does, not have medical care and food? “. I will repeat that of course they have. But they need to be advised that there are people coming.
Can a wedding feed even 2,000 guests ? Of course. Can a wedding feed 2000 uninvited guests ? Of course not.

(C) “But Sedomites? Hmmmm .” Go read Parshas Vayeira again and Tractate Sanhedrin.

(D) “The migrants are already in the immigration system and need to show up in courts in the US for their cases. They are now guaranteed to miss their court dates which is a strike against them.”
Gee, you’re getting desperate.”
Why is that desperate ? The lawyer for the immigrants made that accusation. If you are expected in Immigration court in Texas and you are flown to the Northeast you are 100% going to miss your court date. And I believe that is exactly what Bera, Birsha and Shinav want.

(E) “Because they arrived when no one anticipated it?” Exactly! Adams said that it is a crisis because they were not anticipated. Here are his own words. “Let’s coordinate in that fashion like we’ve done with others — other large communities we have in New York City, where we’re able to coordinate, get sponsors, work with our nongovernmental organizations. That is what crisis calls for, it calls for coordination. ”
Adams said that NY called the Governors of TX and FL to try to coordinate but they refused to.

there is something super amusing about listening to people explain why being in a sanctuary city is inhumane and almost equivilent to certain death. And with such a passion, as if it actually makes sense and wasn’t written by cnn writers or the like.

Amazing how right before Rosh Hashana that people are finding ways to support using destitute people for a political stunt. It is literally irrelevant your specific position on immigration but what DeSantis did was complete and utter despicable behavior. The people he flew were not even in Florida.

As to being successful? If you define successful as getting the Trump crowd excited then yes, you were successful. On the other hand you are disgusting by far the majority of American’s with such behavior. Real success might involve actually revamping the immigration system but Republicans have consistently opposed any and all such legislation.

@Syag Lchcohma

But Joseph is a liberal?

>>>Amazing how right before Rosh Hashana that people are finding ways to support using destitute people for a political stunt.

Piece of personal advice for you. Keep your political views out of your preparation for Rosh Hashana.
To quote the famous writer who was frum personally but primarily wrote for for non-Jewish readers, Herman Wouk “In a non-orthodox synagogue the rabbis sermon is a digest of whatever is being pushed on the op ed pages of the liberal publications with some vague and distorted references to Torah thrown in .” Don’t follow that example.