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There comes a time in your life when you have stop learning how to learn and actually start learning. If someone can’t use a regular gemara either because of lack of time or because of lack of skill – then bh there is an art scroll gemara.
R’ Shneur Kotler ztl in his haskoma to art scroll mishnayos quotes rashi in mishpatim that says you should lay out th mishpatim like a table set for them. I think he knew about Ameilus.
My only critique of art scroll is that a person will not end up learning rashi as his first choice. But that’s a flaw in the person not the product.
Also – people forget that art scroll many times points you to the right seforim to delve deeper.
sg- if people come to rely on AS theyll never be able to break away. you just said so yourself.
If one could read the rishonim and the gemara but would grasp it faster with artscroll,and then reads the meforshim inside it is very useful. I also wondered how people who refuse to learn from an artscroll how do they learn perek chelek.I guess they have a dic at hand.
Toi –
Nu nu. I don’t agree. One can get the same havanah by having the translation handed to them and toiling on a cheshbon in Tosafos, on the Beis Yosef Shach and Taz, on the Shmaytza and the Ketzos. I do not believe that struggling with teitsch is a necessary prerequisite for havanah. If it were, all of us who can read straight through a Gemara without an Artscroll but without a struggle would have a problem.
I once saw someone burn an Artscroll Gemara. I tore Kriyah.
I am terribly sorry about that. My statement was meant more as less just to make a point, not to be actually carried out.
What was the occasion that someone burned an Artscroll Gemara?
The Wolf
oh my, a gohst!!!! AbSoLuTeLy shocking!!!
Wolf: I might be giving away who I am by telling this story, but I’m sure some friends (if they read the CR) have figured me out by my Halachic posts anyway. It was Lag Baomer. A Rebbe was a bit tipsy (I think, I didn’t actually see him drink though) and had a Talmid who was very proud of himself and was making a Siyum. The Rebbe got very upset, went on a whole 10-minute rant about how Artscroll is evil and is destroying the Talmud Torah of thousands of Yeshivah Bochurim. At the end he got himself so worked up that he said it has the Din of a Sefer Torah Shekasvu Min and threw it into the bonfire. I tore Kriyah and told the Talmid (the next day) that he could make the Rebbe pay him back for his Gemara. I don’t think he did but he did switch Yeshivos for the remainder of the Zman.
yit- your poshut’ havanah will be clearer and teefer. ive seen it.
I’m not sure about Havanah, but I find that I remember it better (everything, not just Gemara) when I see it in English rather than Hebrew/Aramaic.
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