Are you sure you lit the menora?

*Ring Ring Ring*

(‘;’)): “Hello?”

(-.-)): Did YOU light outside? If not, why not? (if it’s not dangerous in your neighborhood). The gemara, rif, rambam, rosh, shulchan aruch,etc. clearly say the mitzva is to light outside. So why did YOU not perform the mitzva of lighting neiros chanuka?

(‘;’)): “G-d? Is that you!?!”

(-.-)): “No, it’s longarekel.”

(‘;’)) …

Ayin Biur HaGr”a

lol @ Brony

Toi,

That’s a far cry from saying you’re not yotzei. The Ittur and the Or Zarua are acknowledging that the minhag remained; the Or Zarua doesn’t know why, but doesn’t explcitly say to change, the Ittur says it’s preferable to light outside, but clearly you’re yotzei inside, and the Gaon is mashma that the minhag still remains.

I have no problem with someone lighting outside. I do have a problem with someone casting aspersions on those who light inside, which, at least in ch”l, is the predominant minhag and obviously has been since the sha’as sakana.

Rabbenu Perachia (Shabbos 21b) cites R’ Hai Gaon as saying that if the candles will go out due to wind or rain it is no different than sha’as hasakanah. The Ritva says the same thing. I haven’t seen anyone who argues.

In have never lit a Menorah. Only thge Kohen at the Bais haMikdosh [or at the Mishkon] has ever lit a Menorah.

But I have lit a Chanukiyah 8 times each year.

longarekel – You asked why I don’t light outside. Where I am located in the tri-state area, a candle lit outside will not remain lit for a long period of time. My answer is sufficient for the majority of CR members as well.

Why do you consider that lighting outside, any more than inside the house at the glass window? Also, more importantly, this is a new invention that didn’t exist in the times of Chazal (clear glass wasn’t really around until the last 200 years). Who says something they didn’t anticipate can turn the time from sha’as hasakana back to regular?

Longarekel, kozov – like I said, please don’t get me started on ‘lo sosur’.

147: I said the same thing myself. No one has lit the Menorah in centuries, regrettably.

Mind you, that Menorah has been burning since the Churban HaBayit. It of course has been concealed from us.

We nowadays, as you correctly said light Chanukias, not Menorahs.

Thank you R.T. for 2nd motioning me.

longarekel This may be the biggest problem nowadays. People who don’t understand that mesorah and minhag is the yesod of Yiddishkeit.

yitayningwut – It wasn’t a warning, simply an indication that I knew that at some point someone would mention it and that I really didn’t want to get involved in a lomdish discussion of what it means and what is and isn’t included as it’s a phenomenally complex and controversial inyan. The repetition was to point out to those who did mention that I had already indicated my reluctance to get involved in such a discussion.

yitayningwut – They don’t have to care. Makes no difference to me. All I did was say that I was aware of the issue they would likely bring and my reluctance to discuss it to pre-empt their bringing it. They were oblivious to this in their single-mindedness and said it anyway, in a manner that indicated that they thought I was unaware of said inyan. I therefore repeated my original statement to the point that I had already indicated my awareness. Whether or not they care is their problem. Now, did you have anything else to say or are you just going to reply with another put-down? Coz franlky, I don’t care about your put-downs.

I light behind an aspaklaria d’meira.

No, you cannot see clearly through it. Clear glass was an extreme rarity.

dy- i know what they say, or i wouldnt have quoted. I was just saying not to get all high and mighty calling it a lichatchila that we’ve always done.

i punkt lit inside in yerushalyim this year, i dont have anything you can see from rishus harabim that would be called a chatzer. i think even acc. to R Elyashiv it was the onlt place.

longarekel, not clearly. Surely not enough that the people walking the streets would be able to make out the mehadrin.

Toi,

I’m not following how your posts were saying what you intended, but okay.

DY- shmendrik said,”Ashreinu mah tov chelkaynu, that we continue to keep our minhogim following the steps of previous doros – al titosh toras imecha.”

To that post came my reply.

I’m glad mine arent. what would be the fun in that.