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Well Wolf, you’ve been known to talk during laining constantly. So what else should we expect?
Hey, WolfishMusings: I thought you yourself were the Ba’al Korei??
I don’t know about a “Ka’eyle Jew” but someone in my shul does karate chops for every trope! (c:
It’s so funny to watch. sometimes he goes along with the baal korey, the baal korey will stop and just stare. (*awkward*) q:
Hey, WolfishMusings: I thought you yourself were the Ba’al Korei??
I am. Hence the reason I’m guilty in the section I quoted. 🙂
The Wolf
Looks like we have a few more days of fun now.
Thank you for bumping this thread, I’ve been thinking about it since the first day of Pesach and I couldn’t find it
Yasher koach
It’s “Ka’eyleh,” not “Ka’eylah”.
“Looks like we have a few more days of fun now.”
chas vesholom to call a heilige minhag “fun”
There all helige kavanos to be had when saying “Ka’eyleh” The honigkvetcher Rebbe explains Keileh is Roshei teivos for Kivshos hayetzer, Ashiris, Limud Torah, and general heligkeit!
Why do people love knocking minhagim?
Our Baal Koreh says Ka’eyleh really loud over the sound of the tzibbur. He also stresses the ‘Oo’ in ???? ??????? ??? ??????? on 2nd day pesach and 1st two days sukkos. And probably on parshas emor, but I haven’t been there yet for that, so I’ll let you know in a few weeks.
Ka’eyleh Update:
Firstly, we had a barmitzvah in our shul this Shabbos, so the tzibur went easy on the boy and the ka’eyleh was rather tame.
Secondly, and this will be interesting for the dikduk people out there. My previous post got the wrong Oo. The correct posuk is ????????????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????. Apparently, ?????????? is the only instance of a dagesh alef in the Torah, and therefore it is stressed. Does anyone know anywhere else where they do that?
Apparently, ?????????? is the only instance of a dagesh alef in the Torah, and therefore it is stressed. Does anyone know anywhere else where they do that?
I took a look at that pasuk (V 23:17) and my ArtScroll chumash does not have a dagesh in the aleph there.
I was very surprised to see this post (I missed the original) because an aleph is one of the five letters that, to the best of my knowledge, can NEVER have a dagesh.
Can you provide more info on where you saw that this word should have a dagesh in the aleph?
The Wolf
The word ???? in ???? ????? is pronounced Yi-roo and not Yir-oo.
YesOrNo: The word you are quoting did not originate in ???? ????? but is a passuk in Tehillim (Kapitel Lamed Daled Passuk Yud.). While you are correct in that it is not pronounced Yir-oo, it also cannot be Yi-roo ass the nekudah under the Yud is a Sheva and not a chirik.
A dagesh in an alef is a very rare occurence, but it does happen at least 4 times that I know of (jk, I googled it). One is in the word ????? in the above pasuk in parshas emor which Geordie brought down and the Wolf cited. The second is the word ?????? in mikeitz (?????? ??:??), when Yosef’s brothers came to him a second time, with Binyamin, and they brought Yosef a gift. Another time is in sefer Ezra, ?:??, also with the word ??????, and the last time is in Iyov, ??:??, with the word ???.
“On the pasuk in Emor, Shemen Hamor comments that there is a dagesh in the aleph for the purpose of tiferes halashon, beautification of the language. Minchas Shai notes in Emor that this is one of the alfin degushin, that he speaks about it in more details in Bereishit 2:25, on vayihyu sheneihem arumim, and that he gives the masorah for this in Miketz, on Bereishit 43:26. Read what Minchas Shai has to say in each of these three locations.”
Although I can’t cite my sources with a simple website link, copy and paste will help you find what I found. It’s called parshablog, and the blogger goes into exhaustive detail over the dikduk. It’s REALLY cool.
Thank you IMS
I had a thought this Shabbos. Why do we all say Ka-eyleh, but we don’t all go Ko-oh-to-ointi in parshas vayishlach? It’s also an Azla-geireish.
Some Chumashim have it with a R’vi’i.
Correct. Our baal koreh read it on Monday with Revi’i, and Thursday and Shabbos morning Azla-geireish. Then he spoke about it at shalosh seudos.
The question still remain for those who do Azla-geireish.
Geordie13: The reason why Kaeyla is so popular is not the trop of Azla-geireish but that the previous passuk ends with words YAASU ES EILEH. Since the words are similar many people say the last word of the passuk and then the first word of the next passuk.
As for the trop on KATONTI, it is a machlokes and most do not follow the GRA who says the trop is a revii and lein it with an Azla-geireish.
“it’s like he’s holding a piece of chazer on shabbos in the rishus harabim.”
That doesn’t sound so bad. Probably not even assur. Just annoying because you can’t move, or eat it.
Artzei Peleh?? Never heard of it? Does it talk about trolls as well?
iacisrmma, I like that explanation.
Bump.
It’s been getting worse“It’s been getting worse”
Its been getting better
B”H more an more yidden are picking up this inhag vaseiken a teyere minhag that dates back to the time f chazal (though it hasnt been written) There are deep kabalistic kavanas behind the tzibbur saying it together.
soon Siddurim will be printed with kaeyleh in bold reminding the tzibbur of this important minhag.I miss Ka’eyleh already. How long til Parshas Pinchas?
What about the Katointi/קטנתי jews from Parshas Vayishlach?
Thanks bumper (as of 7:21 the post hasn’t gone through
Every time the בעל קורא said כאלה and I copied him(especially when I was גבאי שני) I thought of this thread
I didn’t know about this until this Pesach, for some reason I never picked up on it until this year. I have to admit that I join in with a few words during the repetition if the amidah (like “Kasher Ratzita”) and to me and all the many others in our Shul that do it, it’s part of the enjoyment of the davening. I once was taken to task when I was leading the davening for doing chazanus that didn’t include all the parts that people like to join in with and I made sure I didn’t make that mistake again! My daughter just showed me a video someone shared with her that shows a chazzan in the audience signing “Ka’Eylah” very loudly before the ba’al korei says it and I had to explain to her what it meant, at which point she thought it was very funny (just like I did).
I am a Ka’Eyla Yid on Succos (In the middle of maftir I randomly shout out Ka’Ayla – it adds to everyone’s simchas yom tov, even the Rov starts laughing).
Kaeyleh is gematria nu!
No jokeBeing the shul’s Ba’al Kriah, I just stop and let everyone get it out of their systems, then continue.
Sorry to disappoint. It is definitely only for Pesach.
Every day!
This one?
Thanks 29
Oh I spelled it k’eyleh instead of ka’eyleh that’s why I couldn’t find it
What a difference an “a” makes
Being the shul’s Ba’al Kriah, I just stop and let everyone get it out of their systems, then continue.
That would drive me nuts. Fortunately, they don’t do it my shul, but if they did, I would just go on. Hopefully, eventually, they would get the message that I’m not putting up with that. 🙂
The Wolf
I really missed the כאלה אידין last year.
Until Parashas Pinchas, then we got a whole week’s worth in one shot 🙂
Unfortunately, this year I’m with a very serious crowd. While leining on the first day of Yom Tov, I paused for the choir and got a stony silence.
ויקח לו את כל אלה ויוותר אותם בתבך
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