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Any generation in which the Bais Hamikdash wasn’t built is as if they were responsile for its destruction?(my paraphrase)
My point is that why do we say how much sinas chinam is in our generation. For 2000 years, all the doros before us must have also had sinas chinam. In fact when we say vidui we say we and our fathers sinned. Now if there is yeridas hadoros, how will we ever bring mashiach and the BH”M? If the dor of Rebbe Akiva,Rebbe, Rava & Abayai, All of the great rishonim and Acharonim couldnt get it together to bring the geulah…how do we imagine we will?
I sometimes wonder if we are finally so steeped in garbage and so ignorant that just putting clothes on will be enough.
I think that to its credit, this generation has a greater involvement in doing ongoing chessed activities (beyond the giving of tzedaka), and more of the “common man” learning and knowing Torah, than the previous generation did. Certainly more boys are sitting in Yeshivah than ever before, and more girls are Torah-educated than was my parents’ generation.
Even if you have the standard, broad-sweeping definition of Yeridas HaDoros (that even the average person in each Dor is less), it’s irrelevant. HKBH isn’t unfair or stupid. He doesn’t expect of us what He expected of them because He knows what we’re capable of and what we’re not. He’ll judge us by our own capabilities and if we have achieved what He wanted us to.
oomis, that reminds me of an interesting converdation I was having on Shabbos about how we’re perhaps overeducating our children and that’s were our downfall lies.
musser zoger
There’s a song by Avraham Fried called, Giants shoulders, which will answer your question.
Bekitzur, they did all the heavy lifting, we are at the end of the road, we just have to do a little more, try a little harder and we will be victorious and Moshiach will be here.
musser zoger
There’s a song by Avraham Fried called, Giants shoulders, which will answer your question.
Bekitzur, they did all the heavy lifting, every generation has its part that it must do. They did theirs and we must do ours. We are at the end of the road, we just have to do a little more, try a little harder put on the finishing touches and we will be victorious and Moshiach will be here.
mz: The word “relatively” is the key word there. We can’t know how we stack up relatively because we don’t know their potential and out potential. We just trust HKBH to take care of those Cheshbonos. The point is that even if we can’t match up in absolute terms, maybe in relative terms we surpass them all. There’s no way to know that.
oomis- The reason there are more Torah-educated girls today than ever before is because it was assur in previous generations.
oomis, that reminds me of an interesting converdation I was having on Shabbos about how we’re perhaps overeducating our children and that’s were our downfall lies. “
In what respect do YOU mean, OI( I might even agree with you)?
“oomis- The reason there are more Torah-educated girls today than ever before is because it was assur in previous generations.”
SF – it was also a different hashkafa about the the role of Torah-learning for girls to be able to properly raise children in a Torah-dig home. We no longer live in the Shtetl, and women need to be educated for many reasons, among them, rearing their children with Torah values. Times ARE different now, and those who are naysayers, are wearing blinders. My mother O”H did not go to Yeshivah. She couldn’t test me on my chumash and navi, or read my chiburim and enjoy them. She was a frum woman, who lived her life in a kosher and proper way, but she ALWAYS felt the lack. Women have a geshmak for learning also. It possibly could be a different type of learning, but it is there for so many of us.
If it’s assur for women to learn Torah, why did Hashem tell Moshe Rabeinu to teach it to the women even before teaching it to the men?
Obstacle illusion
Over educating?! Most kids today are am haaratzim. They learn a few blatt Gemara a year and don’t even know it. Halacha isn’t taught and is hardly known. Most kids have very confused and spotty hashkafos. I don’t know what world you are living in.
SecularFrummy,
It was never assur. What is different is that it has become institutionalized such that Torah is taught on a mass scale as opposed to only highly motivated individuals.
the mesillas yesharim asks the question. gives 2 answers. one is where fried got his song from. 2 is ain hochi nami, but we daven because it gives nachas ruach to HKBH.
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