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I want to know if I should wear a hat or not, I know there is an inyan to wear two head coverings, but In my shul people don’t wear hats so it would look a little weird and show offy
I didn’t wear a hat during davening. I’m not a Bedouin though
Ask your Rabbi.
The Mishna Brura paskens l’halacha that a hat is required to be worn during davening. Rav Chaim Kanievsky said if you don’t have a hat with you, it is better to go home and daven with a hat b’yechidus than to daven in a minyan without a hat.
A Yid should be wearing his hat anytime he’s on the street and, in general, it should always be part of his uniform.
Who said anything about Yidden? He asked about Bedouins
I think this is just wrong. If in your community people don’t wear hats when walking in the street then there is no inyan whatsoever to do so.
(Edited for a too aggresive tone)
Speaking of Bedouins, our forefather Avrohom Yitzchok and Yaakov, being shepherds in Eretz Yisroel, its hills and deserts, would have likely, almost certainly, worn clothing not dissimilar to a modern Bedouin. Not a shtreimel, bekeshe, hat, double layered yarmulke, gartel or black suit to be seen. Which, of course, begs the question. Did our forefathers daven dressed as prescribed here, by Rav Kanievsky, or anyone else? Did it impact on their tefilos? What about (hypothetical) Eliezer from Shilo who herded Goats during the time of Shmuel Hanovi and brought korbanos to the Mishkan when appropriate. A gartel? A Borsalino?
Was his offering Pigul without it?
Let me be clear. If an individual or the Posek he follows insists it is necessary FOR HIM, boruch Hashem. Wear a hat. Do it with the knowledge that you are upholding Halocho in the manner you and your Rov feel is best.
But unless you want to condemn those who you have no right condemning for doing it differently, Please be less insistent about the practice of others when they are davening and talking to their God.
I am not sure why you want nomadic Arabs to wear hats and why would you want Arabs in shul during davening.
I think what he is talking about is if an unmarried Jewish boy must wear a hat during morning prayers. While ideally you should wear a hat on top of your skullcap outside of yeshivas most shuls don’t. Many shuls require the leader of prayers to wear a hat and jacket but if the Rabbi isn’t there you can get away without it if you have the tallis on top of your head.
Females who are not married do not require a head covering to pray.
Abba_S: “Females who are not married do not require a head covering to pray.”
I’m so relieved to hear this! It will be so much easier to daven now that I know I don’t have to wear my burqa while praying! Thank you so much Abba_S for the info!
to the OP:
In yeshiva I had a friend who did the same thing. He asked a shailah to a YU rosh yeshiva (who wears a hat) if he could wear his hat when he went home, since he lived in an MO community. The answer was that he could do it, as long as he didn’t show off and it didn’t make a big scene.
(This is probably one of the best thread titles to ever hit the CR.)
Did our forefathers daven dressed as prescribed here,
by Rav Kanievsky, or anyone else?
That’s irrelevant, and that should be obvious.
Did [how they dressed] impact on their tefilos?
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But unless you want to condemn those who you have no right condemning for doing it differently, please be less insistent about the practice of others when they are davening and talking to their God.
Whatever relativism you want to push, you cannot avoid the fact
that there are halachos about one’s manner of dress for tefillah,
whether you personally think it enhances one’s davening or not.
The subject is not an empty field to run around in.
As for you, Joseph…
A Yid should be wearing his hat anytime he’s on the street
and, in general, it should always be part of his uniform.
Depending on what community you come from, that could sound
anywhere from perfectly reasonable to totally off-the-wall.
“The Mishna Brura paskens l’halacha that a hat is required to be worn during davening.”
You don’t include the entire MB ruling. He also writes that it is about dressing as you would when you go out into the street and that everything is dependent on the local custom.
The Bedouin Shaalah is about the Talis. Are there Bedouins who don’t cover their whole face?
Would anyone care to explain the Bedouin connection to this issue, and the ramifications (if any)?
Thanks in advance.
Just realized I’m walking in the street without a hat. Does that mean I now Daven without one too?
Quick, put a hat on, so you can daven with one!
HaLeiVi: I’d be more concerned about the fact that you are typing while walking in the street than the fact that you are not wearing a hat.
Would anyone care to explain the Bedouin connection to this issue, and the ramifications (if any)?
Thanks in advance.
I assume the OP meant bochurim but autocorrect changed it.
Lilmod, that’s indeed a big problem. I’m trying to developed an app as an overlay that shows you what’s ahead.
Would anyone care to explain the Bedouin connection to this issue, and the ramifications (if any)?
Thanks in advance.
I assume the OP meant bochurim but autocorrect changed it.
That’s one way to look at it. Or, the way to put on a Talis is ?????? ????????. So we have to find out what all their Minhagim are, with all the intricate details.
The reason why we wear a hat is quite complex. For some, it is a social thing, for others it is a hard standing minhag (Hello Yekkis), and for some they use a diyuk from a be’er halacha by benching (it says there one should wear bigday tefila) to compare it to shmoneh esrey, so that’s why some wear a hat. I had a long ( 3 hour) discussion with my rav who said all of these reasons yet we went into much more detail than i just said obviously.
I want to know if I should wear a hat or not,
I don’t believe there is anyone who says that it is forbidden to wear a hat during davening. I highly doubt there is anyplace that has a specific custom NOT to wear a hat. So, if you feel more comfortable davening with a hat, then by all means, wear one.
but In my shul people don’t wear hats so it would look a little weird and show offy
Don’t worry so much about what other people will think.
The Wolf
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