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I think citizens should have social and political equality.
No, there’s nothing wrong with that at all. The African Americans have the right to strive for equality. There’s no question that everyone has the right to better himself and his place in society. Our claim is only that you must make this attempt for equality by legal means – not by power and not by force. We Jews – whatever we gained was not gained by forcing. It was not gained by burning down cities.
And we also did not request any privileges. The most we wanted was equality. But that we should be offered privileges above the rest of the population never entered our minds. Affirmative action?! Affirmative action – that’s one of the euphemistic names of a policy that is used to camouflage a movement that is intended to give privileges to them more than to others. Affirmative action means to give jobs and other privileges only to them – even when it means discriminating against more qualified people. And open admission to schools means to allow anyone to enter, even though that person is not qualified. And the qualified fellow loses out. Such things are absolutely unfair. And that is what is wrong in the present struggle for control of public office. The politicians who support these unfair and wrong policies, in order to placate the vandals who are burning down cities, are a danger to all of us.
I think everyone should have a big house on an acre of land. And there should be world peace.
“I think everyone should have a big house on an acre of land”
+1
@DovidBT
You are sounding like a socialist…you want me to give up 80% of my land…………..
OTOH world peace sounds goodSorry, the question the above was an answer to was: “Is there anything wrong with the Afican American community striving for equality? Didn’t we Jews also try to do the same?”
Joseph: “We Jews – whatever we gained was not gained by forcing. It was not gained by burning down cities.”
Really now? What about the whole Moses said “Let my people go!” Story? Where plagues were brought. First borns died! There wasn’t any law that we could work with so we plowed through on Hashem’s wing.
Who says Hashem wasn’t backing up the Civil Rights movement?
I’m not advocating violence. But I am disagreeing with your claim that we Jews would never do such a thing as force justice.
“Affirmative action?! Affirmative action –…. Affirmative action means to give jobs and other privileges only to them – even when it means discriminating against more qualified people….. Such things are absolutely unfair. ”
not necessarily.
How does a college determine who is qualified? The typical way is a test. Give the test (SAT) to everyone and the one with the higher score is assumed to be more qualified.
Now is that the best way to determine who is qualified?
IT certainly depends on what the “qualification” is. Say the college values hard work. Who worked harder to get a 1400 on the SAT. The white kid who grew up in a stable home, had parents pay for his tutors everyone he knows went to school. Or the inner city kid who grew up with a single mother whose brother was shot by a rival gang who would be asked to babysit siblings instead of going to school, while his mother worked 2 jobs. And struggled and finished high school and was able to get a 1300 on the SAT ( This is a real person I know).
We would all agree (I assume) that the second person worked much harder to get where he is. Why doesn’t that make him more qualified? again it depends on how you define “qualified”And furthermore, isnt it better for society, to help people like this out. He is a doctor now the odds off his kids growing up the way he did, or end up lik his brother are almost nil.
(I would structure it in a non-race way though as there are white kids who grow up that way too)
(I would structure it in a non-race way though as there are white kids who grow up that way too)
But affiimitive action is structured in a race way.
LB: You seriously think Hashem bringing plagues on a country is comparable to people rioting and burning a city down?!
“But affiimitive action is structured in a race way.”
True, I dont necessarily support affirmative action for that reason. My point was the idea of “giving privileges” to some “more than others” isnt necessarily wrong.
that said, there is some truth to the argument that those communities are better served by having doctors/police/teachers that reflect their makeup
:You are sounding like a socialist…you want me to give up 80% of my land…………..”
I didn’t say that anyone should give up his land. I was merely jumping into the spirit of the thread by adding some “should be’s” 🙂
“African Americans”
Careful!!! I think the current politically correct term is “people of color”, which for some reason is not at all the same as “colored people.”
Should Bungalow Colonies be forced to accept goyim? Should the frum Baseball League be forced to accept pubic school students? Should Tomchei Shabbos be forced to deliver to poor Pakistani families? Should Yeshivos be forced to accept atheist students?
Joseph, you need a remedial English course. RY wrote that they SHOULD accept them. Once when I bought something in a supermarket the checkout lady asked if I wanted to join their customers’ club. I was tempted to say that I would not join a club that would accept me but I figured that she would not get it.
In any case, the subject of this thread is civil rights. Private institutions do not have to give any rights.
“Private institutions do not have to give any rights.”
Avi, so can my golf course restrict which races/nationalities are permitted access to the grounds? Otherwise, how’s that different than my previous comment above?
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