Are anti trumpers actual liberals?

@Coffeeaddict
Stop deflecting, it doesn’t become you
We are discussing trump, not the son of our incoming President,
No one elected the son to any office.
Trump was elected in 2016 and lost in 2020.
Biden will be sworn in on January 20th. His son has no official position. I hioghly doubt he will have a White House position as the profiteering Kushners hold.

Coffee- not only that but word has it jill biden was still married when his relationship started with her. But don’t repeat that to anyone cuz trump facts are all true but biden facts are all conspiracy theories and fox news rumors (or excuse de jour)

Word is Jill was in middle of a messy civil divorce in in March that year when she and Joe were set up. She completed the divorce in May. Thanks for the gossip. Not sure in what world that behavior is improper. Halacha is pretty clear that once the relationship is over, regardless of the technicalities of civil divorce she is not considered married.

But, don’t tell that to Trumptards. In their world only improper actions by their messiah are good whereas whatever everyone else does regardless if there is anything improper or not is automatically bad.

So much for smug haughtiness. It never ends with some. They hypocrisy just continues to drip.

Coffee,

Looting too. The point was that toavos are not the only cause of destruction of society.

I’m a proud sufferer of Trump derangement syndrome. I’d have voted for Pence or most other Republicans over Biden or most Democrats, but I’d have voted for most Democrats (except AOC, Ohmar, Warren, that sort) over Trump.

Free college for all? No, this is a terrible idea. Increasing college education mainly just raises the cost in years and tuition and taxpayer subsidies for alumni to be considered “educated” and employable in many occupations. Moreover, free college is a handout to the educated class, who have much higher income than the so-called “uneducated.”

More taxes and regulations? I’d prefer decreasing both taxes and public expenditures. But given that American politicians of both parties hate decreasing expenditures, I’d prefer they finance government bloat with higher taxes than by growing the debt:GDP ratio as they do in status quo. As for regulations, it depends on the regulation. Many regulations are pointless and just create headaches and restrict economic adjustments. Many regulations are well advised. Overall, I’m sceptical of government’s ability and motivation to design regulations well, so broadly speaking I’d like deregulation.

Open borders? Our best evidence shows that near-future economic costs of low-skilled immigration aren’t as dire as many pretend, but they do exist. However there’s a powerful humanitarian case for allowing more immigration. And there’s a tradeoff between allowing greater immigration and the welfare state: you can have one but not both. I think humans come first, and Americans have no special claim on my empathy, so I’d favor massively reducing the welfare state and greatly increasing immigration.

everyone white automatically inherently racist? Given how the social justice crowd now defines racism, yes, everyone who doesn’t twist themselves into a pretzel to deny obvious stats is racist. But per the colloquial definition, no, very few Americans are racist.

All policemen bigoted? Controlling for exogeneity (outside factors like the rate of people committing crimes or attacking cops) there’s solid evidence that in aggregate cops stop and beat, but not kill, Black men disproportionately. Of course that doesn’t mean that all cops treat people differently by race, but the effect shows up in aggregate.

Pro abortion? I think abortion is sinful and tragic, as is the act that leads to it. But maybe it should still be legal because many mothers who wish to abort would otherwise turn to worse alternatives like underground abortion clinics or DIY solutions.

Anti 2a? I don’t know what the effects of different gun control regimes are on violent crime rates and countering government tyranny, so I’m somewhat neutral. I’m not convinced that civilian guns necessarily REDUCE rather than INCREASE government tyranny – the presence of guns in a region may make government agents much more tyrannical (eg Waco!). And if they increase crime rates, that may worsen political tensions which could also make government tyranny MORE likely.

Iran nuclear deal? If the alternative to the JCPOA were a better deal or the US or a coalition bombing their facilities, I’d oppose the JCPOA. But Trump’s scrapping the deal with no replacement nor bombings just leaves them more likely to develop nukes. The Iranians threw out the IAEA inspection regime and are now poised to just make a run for nuke capabilities.

Many Americans prefer almost any Republican to Trump because he is uniquely divisive and selfish. He stoked the partisan flames every chance he got. He empowered the far-left and the far-right. He threw US allies under the bus out of incompetence and political expedience. He forced decent Republicans to lie and smear honest federal officials who called out his nonsense. He rocked the canoe and splashed mud over the rowers and wouldn’t stop even after he lost in an election where his party did well.

Health – So maybe you can understand that just because someone says the government should not be involved in Abortion does not mean they are pro-abortion. It is not unlike you not wanting to take a position on freedom of religion and you are saying that does not mean you are pro-idolatry. At least I am consistent in that I support both freedom of religion and don’t want the government involved in abortion. These are both overall personal things that I don’t see why government needs to be involved in either. If you think religion demands you be opposed to abortion and you have to make political choices based on that, then religion also demands you be opposed to idolatry and you should pursue that in your political choices. You don’t get to pick and choose what Noahide laws are important, at least not in Judaism. This is why I repeat your politics are not based in the Torah. They are based on something else. I can’t say what for sure, but definitely not Jewish tradition.

Health – Thanks for clarifying that you have no idea what practices are considered idolatry or to what extent it occurs in the US. Because, that is the only way you can suggest this country does not have a problem with idolatry. Statistics of people that follow various religions that are in halacha clearly considered idolatry are not hard to find. People also do this openly and proudly. This is far more egregious than abortion. But then again, when your politics are based in something other than the Torah guess it is easy to pick and choose your issues and say that you are representing God. Far harder to actually study what God wants from you and to represent that.

@Health
It is far more spread in the USA than you seem to realize or admit.
The Dominicans (not the order of Nuns, but those from the DR) and Hatians practice both Voodoo and Santaria, which mixes African and indigenous idolatry with Catholicism.
Many Puerto Ricans do as well.
On the streets of NY and many other northeast urban areas you will see many stores labelled Botanico Chango. These shops sell the supplies for idol worship by the Hispanic community.
There are many millions in the US who practice this, a shockingly high amount if you count the population of PR living on the Island, not the mainland.