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Hi,
In Australia, our approach to covid-19 is much more extreme. 5 cases over 3 days cause a lockdown, 70 cases is considered disaster. We have had under 40,000 cases since the begining of the pandemic with over 25 million people. In the past 2 months we have experienced 3 lockdowns. To exit the country is virtually impossible and requires a permit, only obtained if you travel for 3months+ and to come in isn’t even an option as only about 500 people are allowed in each week, and flights are about 15-20k. (besides for the 3 thousand dollar per person mandatory quarantine in a hotel for 14 days)
On one hand only 950 people have been killed (there was an outbreak in the nursing homes which killed about 900) and some states haven’t had a case for over a year. On the other hand we have not accomplished anything and we will forever be under extremely tough restrictions. (our lockdowns include not leaving the 5km around your house etc.)
What do you think? Is this a good approach or a non-sustainable one?Absolutely non-sustainable. If we would test people for flu and other viruses like we do for covid-19 we would be in lockdown forever and ever. Viruses do not disappear, they spike and reced, this is part of life. The obsession the media and politicians have with covid is unbelievable and it doesn’t seem to be changing.
B”H our frum communities in US, after the initial pandemic, disregarded authorities regarding masks and lockdowns and returned to normal life. This is how it should be done everywhere.
phil, it says ונשמרתם מאד לנפשותיכם, you should protect your body well, in plural to protect others too, so I don’t agree with you but תפסת מרובה לא תפסת grabbing too much is also not good.
In the United States, Covid-19 appears to have increased the death rate back to the levels of the 1990s. If you remember the 1990s as a cruel period where life was short, nasty and brutish, you can appreciate the wisdom of the governments policies. Unlike most serious epidemics in the past, but like almost all serious diseases, Covid-19 strikes hardest as those whose lives were already coming to an end meaning that but for the government, the economic impact would have been negligible. The damages on people’s careers and children’s education came from the politicians, not a virus. If there ever is a real epidemic (something similar to Ebola or a new version of smallpox or plague), the measures taken for Covid-19 will prove to be useful, but most people will ignore them (the “boy who cried wolf” phenomena).
Reb Eliezer, our bodies are continous hosts of microbes and viruses. To eliminate these viruses is to eliminate life. We cannot eradicate the manmade covid-19 virus either. It will become extinct if and when Hashem wills it.
The Torah commands us to be careful about our health and it doesn’t mean to muzzle our mouths indefinitely and hide in our homes- that is the goyishe liberal way of thinking they will “deal” with a problem that they can do nothing about. They try tried to flatten the curve by lockdowns and masks and the monster still escaped and is around. They are trying with these so-called “vaccines” and the virus is still spreading. They are blaming all who won’t play their game that will never stop.
So what do we need to do to guard our health? Eat healthy, non-processed foods, including raw fruits and vegetables, do excersize ( excersize is extremely important for a healthy immune system) and maintain healthy lifestyle habits like getting enough sleep. Ultimately, life and death, health and sickness, is in the hands of Hashem.
> Covid-19 strikes hardest as those whose lives were already coming to an end meaning that but for the government, the economic impact would have been negligible.
I don’t think this is how halakha looks at the value of life.
Philosopher I don’t agree with you. This virus is extra ordinary, so it requires extra ordinarily measures by getting vaccinated which most rabbis agree with besides the normal protection you prescribe as I take every year a flu vaccine.
We don’t rely on miracles as G-d helps those that help themselves.This COVID-19 epidemic calls for all jokes aside and for only serious teshuva and achdus ASAP together as a nation to put a halt to the endless deaths happened on a daily and hourly basis costing millions of lives and tragedies with millions of others effected forever. Nothing will stop it until we all wake ourselves up from Denial and openly face and confess to Hashem and admit to Hashems Wake up call for serious teshuva and achdus ASAP. We all know that there’s no such a thing as coincidence and Hashem has a direct reason and message for every horrific tragedy that hits the world.
BOTTOM LINE: we could’ve woken up to serious teshuva a long time ago when the coronavirus mageifa epidemic was just starting and avoided millions of deaths from happening and Hashem knows that we know this. We can’t fool Hashem or your just fooling yourself for thinking you can fool Hashem the king of kings ruler of the world.
But we can still wake up now. IT’S NEVER TOO LATE and immediately make a full stop to this terrible coronavirus mageifa pandemic striking and killing millions worldwide. Now when we are starting the month of ELUL the month of Teshuva there couldn’t be a better time for all of us as a nation to come together as a loving nation and beg Hashem to stop this Terrible mageifa and bring the coming of Mashiach ASAP
Sam Klein, you are absolutely, 100% right!
For the vast majority of unvaccinated the virus is nothing more than the common cold. The vaccine helps the body create antibodies to fight the virus. The antibodies surround the virus and kill it. When the birus is totally surronded and safe you will get a negitive covid test result,The vaccine works well with those who don’t have anibodies. The problem is that those who have antibodies the virus in the vaccine even in it’s weaken state is enough to weaken the antibodies and reawaken the virus that had been dying out. This may explain why Isreal which has a high vaccination rate is experiencing lots of new cases.
On the flip side of things, my friend just came back from a safari in Kenya, as soon as the plane hit 10,000 feet 3/4 of the passangers took of the masks never to be put on again during the flight, when a few mask zealots complained the flight crew laughed and said get use to it.
commonsaychel, I loved reading your post. I hope I hear more and more stories like that. On the flip side of that story, I see many people where I live wearing masks while driving in cars alone or walking alone even when the the streets are empty of other people! 😂
So much for respecting other people’s view points
I never said I respect people who wear masks unconditionally, certainly not when they are by themselves! That in my eyes is utter stupidity. I said everyone has a RIGHT to choose, and I was talking particularly about the covid shots. The issue with pro shots and pro masks is not black and white, you are lumping everything together. I know many conservatives who are anti masks like DeSantos, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, etc who are pro vaccine. Just because I UNDERSTAND why a certain category of people would choose to take the covid shot doesn’t mean that I think it makes sense that people should be forced to wear masks indefinitely.
And yes, while everyone has a right to wear masks wherever and whenever they want, I would love to hear more stories of those who DO NOT want to wear masks taking it off without repercussions and derision and threats from airline staff or any staff as is currently the reality.
“I never said I respect people who wear masks unconditionally, certainly not when they are by themselves! That in my eyes is utter stupidity. ”
Oh. Wait. So you aren’t for people respecting other people and their opinions, you are just saying people should respect the people who don’t want vaccine’s opinion. Because your opinion is life saving, but their opinion is “utter stupidity” Got it. How silly of me not to have seen that coming…
I nominate Sam Klein for Resident Preacher who likes to belabor the obvious but misses describing where teshuva should be. I said that the COVID prohibited our interaction with each other by social distancung and masking which we should evaluate and change.
Syag, you are saying things I never said. Show me one word where I said that those who are pro-covid shots need to respect those who are against covid-19 shots. Or vice versa. I never said anything about respect. I certainly don’t respect many who are pro-covid shots, for example those who “vaccinated” their children or who are proponents for “vaccinating” children.
I just speak about people’s inherent RIGHT to decide what is best for them and that people cannot cannot control or blame others for not complying to their wishes. And that we can voice our beliefs and debate both sides! That is ALL I am saying. And if you don’t think that something is weird and seriously wrong when people walk alone on the empty streets wearing masks, then yes, I certainly do not respect your opinions.
Now, my opinion is MY OPINION. I never claimed to save lives just as I don’t say that those who scream about how vital these shots are, kill people. I hold strongly of my opinions, I believe in them, I do believe that these covid-19 shots are creating a long-term bigger problem than covid-19. However, I make no claim to saving lives just I make no claim that people are killing others with writing how important it is that everyone become “vaccinated” which I think is a total disaster. I said mave many, many times and I’ll repeat myself here; life and death, health and sickness, are only on the hands of Hashem, our Creator and our Sustainer. I think it’s so infantile for people to think they can conquer life and death. Certainly we should do the best hishtadlus we can for our health ( and everyone has a RIGHT to act accordingly to what he thinks is right), but we have absolutely no power to destroy covid-19 which is much greater than what we humans can control.
I live in a place where when 20% of the population was vaccinated, everyone stopped wearing masks. masks are a conspiracy from the government. Beaches are packed. Hospitals are full. Most of the states around here are in a state of emergency and they are calling up military doctors since there are no beds left at all. We’re about to have more cases than we ever have. There is no changes in offices, people drive to work in gridlock. They have conferences where people pack themselves in tightly in poorly ventilated rooms. Others argue if covid is real.
This is the southern US. Americans love covid. We embrace it. It’s a sign of strength.Btw, this may sound sarcastic, but I assume you, it actually is not. It is not ridiculous. I remember in the summer of 2020 when the story was “when you feel comfortable” about going out, and not if it’s safe or smart, I thought that countries like China and New Zealand are going to have issues because even though they eradicate the virus, countries like mine where they love the virus will ruin all of that work.
I understand the issue with Australia is shipping vessels have sick crews, and (at least last year) quarantine violators). In Australia they have “sovereign citizens” that defy all health mandates and fight with the police.jdf007
Is there any state in the USA that the government successfully handled Covid?
> Is there any state in the USA that the government successfully handled Covid?
a good question that is hard to answer given randomness of pandemic over time and different condition in each state. But see below states with lowest cumulative deaths/100K population – it is obvious that most of them are remote, rural, low density, but not all remote states are on this list! And many of them have older population (Maine, Vermont), so maybe they did something right.
Hawaii 40 / 100k
Vermont
Alaska
Utah
Oregon
Maine 80
Washington
Guam
puerto rico
New Hampshire
Colorado
Nebraska
Idaho 120/100k
Virginia
WyomingReb Eliezer
The Teshuva that Hashem is Waiting for desperately from all of klal yisroel together as a nation to end this terrible coronavirus pandemic mageifa is the teshuva of Being Adam Lachaverio and Achdus where klal yisroel returns to love each other on all levels from frum to Frei to Chassidish etc…. And Hashem is not waiting for each person’s personal teshuva-that each person can do by themselves on Yom Kippur between each person and Hashem-but now during this terrible coronavirus pandemic mageifa with millions of lives already lost and gone forever Hashem is waiting for a PUBLIC NATIONAL TESHUVA like we did in the story of Purim and fasted all together for 3 days and nights and involved ourselves in serious teshuva kinnus and Tanis begging Hashem forgiveness and to make this terrible coronavirus mageifa come to a screeching halt.
The shocking coronavirus message from Hashem:
Every tragedy has a wake up call message directly from Hashem that your not going to find in any sefer in the world or read in any newspaper from a Gadol Hador or speaker saying about the tragedy. What is the shocking message of the Coronavirus Epidemic-that shut down the entire world starting January 2020-that has already killed millions of innocent lives of all ages? what does Coronavirus mean? Kara-Na-Aveiros,, call out to your aveiros-my loving children klal yisroel-to wake up & do teshuva. But the message from Hashem doesn’t end there, whats the other name for Coronavirus that everyone calls it? i forgot, Covid, what does that mean? what does Covid/Honor do to a person? what does it say in Pirkei Avos? it removes a person from the world, & thats exactly what Covid is doing right now, its removing millions of people from the world as we are still in the midst of this terrible mageifa effecting the ENTIRE world. Let us all ask ourselves who made it be called these crazy names? where does it come from? the dictionary? is this just coincidence or is it a straight sign & direct message from Hashem that its time for all of klal yisroel to wake up & do teshuva? you think about this.May we all take this direct message from Hashem and wake up to do serious teshuva and achdus ASAP together so Mashiach can come already
> how do i survive this lockdown,
People love quoting Rashbi as an ideal of learning v working. Why not learn like Rashbi and his son did, while hiding from Romans? Maybe share with us here something you learned.
One old book says “if the czar would understand the value of Torah, he would put a soldier with a rifle near each Jew”. while turning the page, I continued in my mind “and when someone attack the Jew, the soldier defends him”. The next page actually said: “and when the Jew distracts from learning, the soldier is pricking him with the bayonet …”. And that was before Internet. So, value the time that you got.
> Can anyone support that so i dont feel like i just had 2 months of lockdown for absolutely no purpose?
AU has 40 deaths per million for the whole pandemic, US and UK almost 2,000. With 25 mln population, your country saved 50,000 people. Hazak ubaruch.
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