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do I have the right to be really disturbed when someone lights up at a bus stop?
than starts taking deeeep draws and makes the aaahh geshmak noise, whilst the rest of us are gasping for fresh air?
You have the right to feel however you feel. Just as he has the right to do what he wishes where there is no law against it.
Yes, you have the right to be disturbed. Unfortunately, smokers don’t realize how disgusting their habit is to the rest of us. They don’t realize how badly they stink.
You also have the right to remain silent.
My main question is why do people smoke? They know they can kill themselves and second hand smoke can be possibly more dangerous than first hand. So the smokers are damaging themselves and the people next to them. Can they have a heart? Smoke in your house or your car, not in the streets where people wanna breathe. Sorry i just had to say that because it’s been bugging me for awhile now!
Okay, everybody, I’m not condoning smoking at all here…but there are very many attitudes that are much, much more “appalling” than those of smokers. Channel your zealotry for worthier causes.
i totally i agree its absolutley disgusting i was in class once and a photographer came in and he smelled soo bad i was dyeing i couldnt take notes and the teacher doesnt allow us to open the windows i felt like i was goin to die!!!!!!
smokin is awesome and cool just because u guys r not cool ddoesnt mean u got to cry about it wa wawawa wawa babies buy a pack and think about normol stuff wassssup
Smokers smoke so that for each puff they take, they can be Mevatel a Mitzvah Aseh de’Oraisso of “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshoseichem”
Smoking is bad. It stinks. It kills. It wastes money that could be put to far better use. I hate smoking. HOWEVER – until a law is passed (as I have heard it appears to have been in some places) that prohibits someone from smoking at a bus stop on a public street, none of us has any say in the matter.
“a photographer came in and he smelled soo bad i was dyeing”
I guess u could say he developed a bad habit.
Oh get a life. If you don’t like the smell, stand a few feet away upwind from him.
I agree with Popa.
Smokers smoke so that for each puff they take, they can be Mevatel a Mitzvah Aseh de’Oraisso of “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshoseichem
147.. y dont u tell this to rav kaduri,rav shach,reb moshe
The appalling attitude of anti-smokers is much more obvious and speaks to a much deeper problem. If you don’t like the smell of something that’s okay. Just recognize that you are not the only person in the world. If you didn’t like the smell of hot dogs and someone was eating one near you what would you do? Nothing. Therefore the smell issue is a non-issue.
Being near a smoker outdoors occasionally is not significantly detrimental to your health. Period.
The question is, does your definition of taste, plus your extreme definition of right or wrong give you a right to judge, condemn, vilify, demonize, and control others? I say no.
If somebody wants to kill themselves, they should go to an empty field, and do it there. Instead of putting us in danger.
I would like to start a thread titled “The appalling attitude of non-smokers”.
I used to smoke and I can understand someone lighting up whilst waiting for a bus, but I always tried to stand a few meters from the bus stop just to stop the smoke disturbing other pepes.
We have neighbors who used to smoke on their porch and the smell made its way over to us. We spoke to them, but they just couldnt understand what bothered us. We overheard the smokers mention that they hated the smell of certain foods. We made sure to buy a portable griddle and fry up this food on the porch so that the smell would reach them. Now, they understand where we are coming from and don’t smoke where the smell will reach us.
Nothing like working it out like adults 🙂
What about the appalling attitude of overly obese people? I mean, if you want to eat, go out into a field and eat, but who gave you the right to take up so much space at the bus stop?! I don’t even have room to smoke my cigarette now!
bochuratheart -“Smokers smoke so that for each puff they take, they can be Mevatel a Mitzvah Aseh de’Oraisso of “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshoseichem
147.. y dont u tell this to rav kaduri,rav shach,reb moshe”
As far as the OP -it depends. If the guy is blowing his smoke right onto s/o else then it’s disgusting. If he is a few steps away -then I don’t see the problem. If it bothers you that much – move out of his area.
As far as the Gedolim Matiring smoking -I doubt they would Matir it nowadays. At that time noone knew about second-hand smoke. But nowadays we know there is such a thing and unless the guy Never (impossible) smokes next to s/o else -he is a Mazik. To be Matir smoking because of Hakol Doshin Bo is one thing (regarding V’neshmartem), but there is No Heter to be Mazik anyone!
yitayningwut -“What about the appalling attitude of overly obese people?”
This is what happens when they have too many Kosher Dunkin Donuts, even now in Lakewood. [:)}
Maybe I should become Cholov Yisroel?
R’ Shach zt”l smoked before he knew it was harmful. When the doctor told him it was bad for him, he immediately stopped, and didn’t smoke another cigarette for the rest of his life. He even said he completely lost any urge to smoke once he knew it was bad for him.
yoyo56 said…
“a photographer came in and he smelled soo bad i was dyeing”
Are you sure the bad smell wasn’t from the dye you were using at the time??? -Just kidding, the smell IS disgusting!
moredDow said…
“smokin is awesome and cool…”
Yeah, it is soooo cool! I think the coolest part is when you’re attached to one of those really rad oxygen tanks with the tube under your nose! Wow, that is sooo cool! The oxygen gives you such a high! The only problem is that ya can’t light up with the oxygen on, or Ka-Boom!!! -Bummer!
If you’re smoking and you’re choking give it up, {clap clap}
If you’re smoking and you’re choking give it up, {clap clap}
If you’re smoking and you’re choking,
And you want to keep from croaking,
If you’re smoking and you’re choking give it up.
As far as the Gedolim Matiring smoking -I doubt they would Matir it nowadays
gedolim have mattired it very recently.
A ‘law’ has been passed. In R’ Moshe’s responsum on the topic of smoking he says quite clearly that if it bothers someone else it is ASSUR to smoke in their vicinity.
PBA. where can we find this psak?
Health and crazybrit – lol, keep fressing and enjoy, I was being facetious.
the reason why i dont like it is bec its bad for ur health even if there was food near me that i didnt like and bothered me a great deal i would either move or ask the personif not eating to move it somewhere else but with smoking he wasnt even smoking and he reeeked really badly was i supposed to ask him to move out of the room??
yoyo – the smell is bad for your health? (Although studies have shown that constant or repeated exposure to the smell may have a slight impact, we’re discussing a one-time story.) What if the same person would just smell like roses, and you couldn’t stand roses? Same story? There are two issues here: one of smell tolerance, and one of a person’s choice to enjoy him/herself with a pastime that runs a moderate risk of causing serious illness to themselves. Genuine Mussar given out of love and care wouldn’t bother me much (though I’ve rarely seen that type), but saying it smells doesn’t justify treating someone disrespectfully. If someone lights up indoors that’s an entirely different story, which we’re not discussing now.
“gedolim have mattired it very recently.’
Name one.
i am very sensitive to the smell of second hand smoke. the smell makes my whole chest tight and irritates me. its even worse when i’m downwind of a smoker.
i have a friend, who when she was single and her brothers were still at home, used to have a room off the house for smoking. she was/is close to her brothers so she would talk to them in that room. in the winter, she had to wear a coat. and every once in a while i would have to say to her, i think its time for you to dry clean your coat because it reeks/stinks/etc. the smell didnt bother her and it still doesnt. but she would dry clean it.
even now, when i have pts or visitors one of the first things i notice is the smell of cig smoke. i think b/c i hate it so much i recognize it that quickly.
It’s all part of the natural selection process. The population must be culled somehow, and smoking is a great way to self-select the least mentally fit.
Brony – here we believe in Godly selection. The question is whether doing something that can have deadly reprecussions but likely will not – is that more like jumping in front of a bus or more like speeding, overeating, not exercising, skiing, etc.? I think the answer turns on the statistical probability of death from that behavior, prior to the life expectancy of an otherwise similar person who doesn’t do that behavior. The answer in smoking’s case is difficult to find. Heart disease, which smoking increases the risk of, is also common among non-smokers. If a 675 lb smoker dies at age 30 from a heart attack, statistically this is a “smoking-related” disease. Also, a correlation between smoking and heart disease may exist because of the personality tendency of smokers, and circumstances that encourage smoking, may also cause heart disease, so the act of smoking may not do much to increase the already present risks.
The high percentage of death “from smoking” is heart disease. The other diseases, which likely have a stronger link to the act of smoking, are far less likely to cause death to an individual smoker. When an individual chooses to smoke, the question is how likely is it for him. The gov. and medical community are far more concerned with society than individuals, and lowering costs as a whole. Therefore IMHO the info you get about smoking is “doctored” (no pun intended) to promote no smoking, reinforcing the (generally) psychosomatic chest pains one can hear about from many bystanders. Don’t get me wrong – no one is lying, but it is
very easy to disguise truth within rhetoric and relative numbers.
crazybrit, just FYI, you are on my bad side as of now. i shadowed a VNSNY nurse today and one of the pts she visited lit up while we were there. i had to leave the room because i couldnt breath. your comment that i should get some first hand smoke is rude, insulting, disgusting and terrible.
Um, frumnotyeshivish, I think Brony was being facetious…
I am with you on this one, yentingyenta. I can not breathe around cigarette smoke either. I am sensitive to many smells but I literally gag from cigarette and begin coughing- i feel bad sometimes, but the smell does disgust me, and it feels like its burning my lungs. And no, i would not try getting first hand smoke. Oish, what a suggestion…
frumnotyeshivish – Do you really believe that smokers have the same chance of coming down with heart disease as Non-smokers???
Crazybrit, now your back to my neutral side. Smoking is a serious matter and should not be joked about.
Can you tell me which thread and posts you want me to translate? I’ll post the translation there
I ask this: In todays world, is it a problem that people live too long or too short?
Too long. That is why we are bankrupt from supporting people in retirement from 65-85. People go to school until they are 25 or 30, then work for 35-40 years, then retire for 20. You can’t work only half your life- it simply can’t last.
Smoke in gezunter heit.
i don’t mean it as cold. CH”V! most posters here are neither here nor there. they are in my parve pot so to say. sorry if i offended you. i meant no harm.
FYI-for your information.
VNSNY-Visiting Nurse Service of New York
pts-patient
sorry. in NS (nursing school) e/t gets abbreviated to the point my notes look like ABC soup and it spilled into my every day language
PBA -“Too long. That is why we are bankrupt from supporting people in retirement from 65-85.”
I disagree. Ad Meah V’esrim. They just shouldn’t retire till around 80-85! Boy would we have an unemployment problem! And what would the Pres say then?
Health – It is an undisputed fact that smokers have a higher incidence of heart disease. The question is A – How much higher, and B – How much of that is from the act of smoking and not an underlying cause of both. Either way, to make a statement that “x” amount of people die from “smoking-related” diseases when the majority of those are not smokers, is technically true but very tricky.
Hi PBA.
Length of life is determined Hashem, as you know.
I would add the problem, which tragically impacts length of life is that as a capitalist economy, we are not adequately producing goods and services.
America is in great debt and tragically, the meaning of life has a dollar value on it as well.
There is no solution other than Moshiach!
frumnotyeshivish -“Health – It is an undisputed fact that smokers have a higher incidence of heart disease. The question is A – How much higher, and B – How much of that is from the act of smoking and not an underlying cause of both. Either way, to make a statement that “x” amount of people die from “smoking-related” diseases when the majority of those are not smokers, is technically true but very tricky.”
Whether you have a point or not is irrevelant. The fact is smoking alone causes heart disease. So stop with the “SMOKEscreen” and admit to the facts. People should not smoke because it’s dangerous to their health! One of the dangers is Heart disease which can be caused just from Smoking alone!
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