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  • March 26, 2011 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #595926
    BasYisroel94
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    I was reading the “Chofetz Chaim- A Daily Companion,” and I don’t understand:

    “…The Chofetz Chaim (also) cites the famous Talmudic case of ‘api tlasa’ in the prescence of three…” (Day 29, page 58)

    I really dont understand this concept, can someone please explain it to me? It also writes that some people misunderstand it- which is most likely my problem.

    Anyone who knows, PLEASE let me know! Thanks 🙂

    March 27, 2011 1:42 am at 1:42 am #752945
    truth be told
    Member

    There are about eleven conditions that must be met for it to be permissible. You have a better chance at winning the lottery than finding a permissible case of L”H.

    Let us know when win:)

    Even Mr/s X’s are included

    March 27, 2011 1:53 am at 1:53 am #752946
    BasYisroel94
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    TBT- If actually buying a lottery ticket is part of the plan, I might find the former first 🙂

    Though, I seriously dont get what api tlasa is. If it’s all that you can say it bc it’s sure to get back to the person it’s about if it’s in the prescence of 3 and yadayada, I thought that it’s forbidden to say L”H even if you dont care what the person it’s about will say…

    Btw, do you know the 11 or so conditions offhand? I’m interested to know what they are. Thanks! 🙂

    March 27, 2011 2:06 am at 2:06 am #752947
    s2021
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    read the next page(s)..

    March 27, 2011 2:31 am at 2:31 am #752948
    BasYisroel94
    Participant

    So, I started reading ahead, and it just gets more confusing!

    If said in the prescence of 3, we can assume that it’s positive and therefore not L”H?

    3ppl are already a public forum and therefore no harm bc it’s gonna be publicised anyway?

    It makes no sense to me… Should I just forget the Rambam’s heter of api tlasa, or should I try to understand?

    Thanks! 🙂

    March 27, 2011 2:36 am at 2:36 am #752949
    s2021
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    Bas- I remember reading a few pages down that its practically impossible. Basicly forget about it. Just need to know about it so know NOT to rely on that heter cuz its misunderstood used incorrectly.

    March 27, 2011 2:45 am at 2:45 am #752950
    BasYisroel94
    Participant

    s2021- Okeydokey, it sounds like a plan.. Thanks! 🙂

    March 27, 2011 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #752951
    liddleyiddle
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    I’m going on memory here, so I’m probably at least partially off, but as I recall, if a statement which can be interpreted either positively or negatively is said in front of 3 people, it can be assumed that it was meant positively and, therefore, can be repeated. I’m really not sure if I got that right, so you should look it up.

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