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soliek i just came back from OWS ad i gotta say…it was an eye opener…not at all what i expected. i was pleasantly surprised and found myself agreeing with a lot of what people had to say
soliek, i kinda have 1 opinion on OWS. as long as they dont mess up public transportation in NJ and NY, i could not care less what they do. seriously. IMHO until they get their act together and say what they want and not a mess of ppl in a park and formally announce how they plan to change the financial market, all they are is a group of ppl living in a park making a whole lotta noise.
Yes, I saw it. What shocked me was how so few people (maybe 300) could so totally overtake the national attention.
I doubt they will accomplish anything concrete in the end, but it does show how new media (facebook, twitter, blogs) can make a movement out of anything.
But I can tell you, Century 21 is LOVING this, as every tourist in NYC heads downtown, and C21 is right around the block.
You should absolutely not go down there its a major sakana.
so basically, they want complete laissez-faire with NO govt control as well as big name corps can not contribute to gov affairs and funds?
i dont follow politics much but ron paul is not a name i have heard a whole lot as apposed to gingrich, romney, cain etc. is paul tea party? even thought the media is misconstruing the thoe whole OWS matzev, thats the only side majority of the ppl are hearing and seeing. one point i have to add, a teacher mentioned they use the terms 1% and 99%. she pointed out that its much easier to classifier one self into this rather than upper lower class, lower middle class, middle working class etc. in this way, e/o knows which part they belong to.
while you were there, what was the average age and level of ed? the media says they are all college aged students. this true? and what is there stand on obama and his policies? even though i may not really care about their movement, i’m still interested in it. that make sense?
The Occupy Chicago chevra are complete loons. It reminds me of the medrashim on NOach describing the building of the Tower of Bavel. No two people share the same agenda. Some are for welfare not warfare, others are protesting to arrest the mayor for red light ticket greed, others are asking who the other 99% are, etc. It’s a riot watching these sophisticated individuals seeking to change the dynamics! Kookoo!
“is corporate influence on the vox populi as it were”
i’m trying to understand so don’t be offended. when you say corporate influence, are you referring to companies who donate big bucks to a presidential campaign and then get favors from the gov? (didnt the VP or s/o have a green energy co. go bankrupt recently?)
while free commerce seems like a good idea, certain categories SHOULD be monitored. one, FDA. drugs need to be monitored continuously as new side effects only become known once the drug is in the general population. two, the USDA. no brainer meat that has found to have been contaminated should be recalled. those are 2 off the top of my head. they might not be perfect but imagine if no one found the increased risk of MI associated with Vioxx?
what do they think of cains 9 9 9 plan? is that one still the best plan out there or did he lose support b/c of the allegations against him?
sorry if i’m asking too many questions. this whole OWS is fascinating. wonder where its going to lead. how are the other occupy movements doing?
It is tough to say there is any unified message coming out of zucotti park. Anyone and everyone has something they don’t like and an agenda they wish to push. Occassionally the agendas overlap and those people hang out together for a bit. I don’t mean to be cynical, but if Citigroup, BoA, Chase or any other financial institution showed up and announced they were hiring most of the OWS protesters would line up resume in hand.
Although the numbers seem like alot, would this tax system be across the board and not on a tiered system (isn’t that what what the system is now?) OWS is fighting economic unfairness right? does that include all the tax breaks the “1%” get? but I totally get what your saying about the taxes. It seems like the taxes would be separate entaties of state and federal which would Only increase the taxes we are already paying.
What are the ideas of OWS and the other candidates regarding the economy?
And btw soliek your doing a great job explaining. Thanx
I don’t understand why you would voluntarily spend time at a place which is known to have criminally minded people who do not live in a healthy environment.
Soliek: I have to agree with goq. I don’t know what OWS holds on violence, but there has been reports of violence in the park. Attacking an FDNY EMT is not exactly a peaceful action. It’s not exacly the safest place to be at night if you are planning on going motzie shabbos.
Also, I just looked on the ywn home page. Top report was a raid on the park. One thing that stood out was a line that said something like the protest has deteriorated from a peaceful protest to a backdrop for crime and violence. Curious to see what comes out of this if the whole occupy movement will continue as is or will change direction. Is this the first time OWS in the city was kicked off the park?
Ummmm, none of them looking for govt handouts? If this is true, why don’t they go and FIND or even LOOK for work?!?! Until they do that, I have 0 and I mean 0 pity on all of them!! (and this is very very not my type. I feel bad for almost anyone which is not a good thing either!)
As for the Ron Paul thing, of course they like Ron Paul the best. He is the most liberal of the Republicans. He barely can be called a Republican.
Uch, I can’t believe someone would honestly waste their time and go down and speak with those people who are just making a mess of other peoples businesses. Oh, and they are SMALL businesses, nothing corporate about them. (all those businesses in Lower Manhattan that have said they have approximately lost over $400,000)
They are breaking laws on a consistent basis.
While the OWSers are exploiting some good points, they are not victims of the economy at all. Yes, some genuine working people having difficulty have joined their ranks, but I suspect they are paid protesters here to create a classic scapegoat (Jews in the financial world), in order to deflect from Obama’s miserable failure as a president. Job creation was the constant promise of Obama.
Wall Street certainly can be criticized, which is why this conspiracy is a very clever tactic to help re-elect Obama and keep him looking like a man of the people.
Americans are way too fickle and politicians know fake perception can easily become reality.
The plutocracy changed the world since Bush was in office. Bush and Obama are the same two-headed monster. The rest of us are coasting by on the fumes of America’s past greatness.
The only good thing about all this out-of-control world situation is that it must mean Moshiach is soon on his way.
BTGuy (and everyone else here)(possibly even soliek),
how do you feel about OWS having these anti-semitic and terrorist comments (Jews control Wall Street, molotov cocktails at Macy’s)
HHHHMmmmm good question CA. i’ve been busy all week (clinicals, test lecture etc) but from what i’ve scanned is the raid kinda backfired in that it incited those in the group more inclined to violence. i have to read the newest reports out there to get a better picture. but my opinion is still kinda the same: a bunch of ppl trying to change the world by making noise (literally) yet they have not given any substantial ideas.
anyone else?
i was thinking substantial idea as one that the media/govt sees and likes. one that has the potential to work for the economy. and when i said a group making noise, i meant it in a negative way even it IS what the group is in essence.
and the new image of OWS, not really surprised. i think its common for peaceful groups to attract unruly people which then escalates to violence. it is unfortunate that it happened here too that what started as a meeting place for reform now has a picture of violence attached to it.
based on the reports i read this morning, they seem to be losing media support. guliani said he would of closed them down from day 1, and IIRC wasnt a councilman or s/o arrested there? and even their plan to cripple wall street with tens of thousands of protesters and block the bridge and disrupt subways….. didnt work. how many ppl showed up for the protest? if they come up with an idea that is workable, it might help them regain some positive media coverage.
as a side note, besides ron paul, any other politicians support them?
Hi coffee addict. At the root of this is anti-semitism. I believe this movement is funded by Soros as a counter to the Tea Party and to distance his stooge, Obama, from the problems he has created and exacerbated from since he took office.
The fact that anti-semitism is in the mix to a good degree is just a sign of their fingerprint. Remember, the overt anti-Jewish and anti-Israel stance in the American political arena has become pronounced in the Obama administration. The others kept it covert.
Incidentally, this is classic anti-semitism. Their Wall St thing is really a way of saying the Jews are to blame, and their ranks have pretty much gone on record with stating that.
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