Anti Zionist demonstration planned in Barclays Center

First, to Joseph. The terms Gail and Gasoline handprint, as you use them are meaningless. There was a time when calling someone with the honorific ” Hagoan” meant something because it was reserved for truly chashuvah Rabbis and Rosh yeshivas. However, as time went by, the term became commonplace and thus meaningless. That is what is happening with Gadol Hador. Everyone cannot be a Gadol or the term will become meaningless.

With regard to the Asifa, what purpose is being served? Will the draft law be changed? No. Will bochrum who continue to register and follow the rules continue to get deferments? Yes. Will a considerable amount of money be spent on the Asifa that could have been put to better use supporting the impoverished families of bochrim learning in Israeli yeshivas? Yes

Thanks to automatic word checking, gadol and gadol hador became Gail and gasoline. Sorry about that

The irrefutable facts are that for the last 69 years this same law has been on the books “every young man who is a LEGITIMATE (key word legitimate) student in a recognized yeshiva is exempt from service,but only as long as you are learning,and you must REGISTER as soon as you turn 18,
for the last 69 years EVERY FRUM 18 YEAR OLD REGISTERED
For 69 years no one had a problem with this,not even the AIDAH HACHRAIDIS ,and everyone agreed if you don’t learn you must serve ,as a matter of fact Harav Pichas Epstein z’l the Rav av baisdin of the Aidah authored a sefer for frum soldiers in ZAHAL for all the pertinent HALACHOS pertinent while seving in the army.
This so called demonstration has NOTHING to do with the draft,but everything to do with internal political fights inside Israel and pure unadulterated hatred towards Medinas Yisroel by some groups here in America
CHAIM.S

I dont know who did it, but unlike Joseph’s quip who claimed only 4 people saw it it seems quite a few did. Relatives in lakewood told me they heard that the Yeshiva was somehow involved and they got the message it was a forgery through their own systems (They dont have internet)

If Rav Kotler needed to send out that the letter was a forgery it must have been that quite a few people saw it

Apustayid:

Thanks for clarifying. I’m sure that the press and our enemies will fully understand the subtle nafka mina you are presenting.

Dr.E. I am not making the case for, or against this gathering. (As Zdad pointed out a lot clearer, and more succinctly than I did). The intentions and goals of the organizers must be plainly and clearly spelled out for all attendees (and outsiders) . Otherwise, like this site, the press will be reporting about an anti zionist demonstration at the barclay center, which is not what the organizers are trying to hold.

Apushtayid:

Really? And how would you articulate the substance and tone of this protest to those young people in Israel who are both learning in Yeshiva and doing IDF service. I would be happy to pass any such lomdus on to my cousins who find themselves in that scenario.

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“And how would you articulate the substance and tone of this protest”

1: It is not a protest.
2: I will not be at Barclay Center this sunday because my Rebbe is encouraging everyone to stay in the Beis Medrash and learn.
3: I too have cousins and nephews in the IDF. I have no problems explaining to them the stated goals of the organizers as I understand it explained in advertisements taken out in local Brooklyn, NY paper.
4: That an event promoted and advertised to thousands of people will attract crazies, people with their own agendas and even those whose agenda is diametrically opposed to that of the organizers, I have no doubt.
5: Why are you getting all bent out of shape over this event at Barclay Center?

Seems about right apushatayid.

Dr E. (and y’all out there with similar feelings)
” I would be happy to pass any such lomdus on to my cousins who find themselves in that scenario.”

Can we please try to take this event as it is by itself, unrelated to past feelings towards this rabbi or hashkafa or that asifa or whatnot please? I understand that as normal rational human beings we look at everything as a whole wider picture and usually may have unease regarding subjects that come extremely close to sensitive subjects in our hearts. But, if what the FJJ letter says is true – by rabbonim that are respected in america and slightly more moderate than the chareidi rabbonim in israel – maybe this problem is a problem?

Colossal epic failure heading to Barclay’s center today.

As I said, this has nothign to do with any draft whatsoever. There is no draft. Any Yeshiva Bochur who is sitting and learning was never taken to the army, and anyone (and I mean anyone – including the irreligious lowlifes in Tel Aviv) who signs up at the induction center and gets their deferment has no problem. Everyone does this from Satmar to every yeshiva.

This even was 100% from begining to end orchestrated by the evil people running the Peleg Yerushalmi. This is 100% hatred towards the Manhig Hador Maran Rav Shteinman. The worst part is that these Reshoyim have convinced a few Litvish Rabbonim in America that they are drafting thousands of Sefardi yeshiva Bochrim to the army. What a pack of lies. Chacham Sholom Cohen (the senior Sefardi Gadol in the world today) wrote a letter last week denying that this is taking place. What a huge chillul hashem and bizayon talmidei chachomim.

The eldely Rosh yeshiva in Flatbush was had bigtime. Simply appalling and stunning. meanwhile, the heter meah rabbonim runs off to scurry away in the darkness. Into hiding you go.

The other losers are the Satmar (Zaly faction). They were so excited that finally Litvish people joined their “Shita” when in fact that is far from the case. They will never begin to underdstand that this is a 50 year machlokes in Ponavezh and this has nothign to do with a draft issue. What idiots.

They will fill the stadium up with Satmar Buuuuchrim and maybe one or two loser Litvish people looking for action. The table in Lakewood selling tickets had around 7 people buy tickets.

What a Churban they caused. Such reshoyim. The kavod of Hagaon HaRav Shmeul Auerbach they destroyed. Disgusting.

Sure enough…. This event was nothing about a draft. This was one big fat anti-Israel protest. A regular Satmar protest. Nothing more and nothing less. 14,000 people. 13,995 Satmar Chassidim, 3 Litvish Roshei Yeshiva and 2 bochrim.

We were privlidged to hear from the spokesperson of the terrorist organization Neturei Karta, Mr. Shapiro – who spoke in English.

What a joke.

The Peleg didn’t even make an attempt to make their case. Nothing. No facts. What a bunch of bunk.

I was curious to know what this event was all about so I googled Barclay anti Zionist event and only a handful of articles showed up. One of them was written by “Israel vs Judaism” and it was sick and full of lies with a few half-truths thrown in.

“There was speeches from various rabbis for about 4.5 hours”

So, what is the message of those 4.5 hours of speeches?

The question was not, how well did they speak. The question was, what was their message.

“Rav Aharon Schechter shlita, the Satmar Rebbe shlita, Rav Yaakov Shapiro shlita and many other rabbonim spoke poignantly and very well.”

Typically, Joseph calls the leader of the violent terrorist organization Yaakov Shapiro a “Rav” and “shlita”. YouTube him and your stomach will turn.

And sorry Joseph, but your Rosh yeshiva spoke horribly. Watch the video. if anyone can tell us what he said, we would be thrilled because thus far, no one was able to decipher his speech. it made absolutely no sense. All we heard was “NOBILITY!!!!!!!!!!!!” And the “Tz-uh-vuh”.

Epic fail all around for this event. Was no different than any other Satmar anti-Israeli event in Manhattan or D.C. where they yell the “vai geshrai” Foueeeeeeyyyyyy! Foi! Foi! Foi!

The worst was Hillel Weinberger was given a huge platform. this is the lowlife that publicaly defamed the gadol hador Maran Harav Shteinman in public, while not a word of protest was made. Rav Aron Schechter, And Rav Asher Kalmanowitz (the only two litvish Rosh yeshiva there) proudly shared a dayis with this vile rasha.

Watch this video and your stomach will turn.

IN case you will deny that Weinberger spoke, I have attached a photo.

An explanation and apology from the 2 Litvish Roshei yeshiva who attended why they shared a dayis with such an evil man is in order.

Totally not shameful at all!!!!!
Do you speak English????

Joseph which Satmar Rebbe Spoke?

It was boycotted by one of them. How are us such little people supposed to know which one of them is the Gadol and which one is the Apikoras?

ZD
Rabbi Zalmen Leib Teitelbaum aka Rav of Satmar Williamsburg spoke.

If the gathering had a purpose, it is fair to assume that in the course of 4.5 hours the speakers would have clarified what it was. The takeway from the Asifa after 4.5 hours of speeches is….?

I vote that this thread, which is full of lashon hara and bizayon to talmidei chachomim, be closed immediately. It is purposeless and damaging.

None of them, to my knowledge, opposed it. They all could be supportive even if they don’t attend. Just because you support a cause doesn’t necessarily mean you can physically come, as you might have other responsibilities at the time that you feel take precedence. Such as Limud HaTorah, for example.

Otherwise, gedolei yisroel such as Rav Aharon felt it so important that not only do they support it morally they felt they had to close their Gemorah and actually come to make a statement. Not every godol necessarily agrees how to treat the same causes they support. Or the other Gedolim could easily have determined between themselves that Rav Aharon, could represent them all as he’s the senior godol on the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah and Rosh Yeshiva in America.

And if you do find a godol or two who is officially on the record as having opposed the event? (I’m not sure any such exist, but maybe there’s a couple out there.) So what. Gedolim always have differences of opinion between themselves. Even when they might all oppose Zionism, they might have different approaches on how to fight it. Openly or quietly. Loudly or more tamed. Publicly or privately. Etc.

But in this case while there are scores and scores of Gedolim who officially and on the record supported the actual protest, I don’t know of even a single one on the record as opposing it. (And I’m not referencing those that only issued a letter saying that a previous letter in their name was a forgery. That doesn’t indicate one way or another if they support or oppose the event. Nor does it indicate the forgery itself wasn’t made by lay opponents of the event to make supporters look bad when they “discovered” the forgery.) If you know any on the record as opposing it, share with us that official statement of theirs. But that doesn’t change anything I wrote.

My yiddish is not good, but I can’t see how anyone could disagree with two English and Hebrew speeches which I was able to understand.

@mms601: Exactly. Very perceptive. This was NOT a political rally. The two “litvisheh” Roshei Yesivah who supported the rally are strongly aligned with, and supportive of, the ideals of Agudah, and certainly continue to respect the opinion of Rav Aharon Leib shlita, much like the Brisker Rav worked closely with Rav Shlomo Lorenz (MK), yet fought tirelessly against the drafting of women (men systematically were granted deferments as per the “status quo”). Now, however, as the current law stands, men will no longer be so easily patur.
Deferments will be a thing of the past, and the Torah world as we know it in Eretz Yisroel will be changed forever, if it will even exist. Those G-d fearing individuals who have chosen to serve are finding themselves being stripped of their rights to observe the Torah and their traditions (beards, separate barracks, no kol isha, etc.) Soon – by 2020 as the law stands now – few, if anyone, will choose to serve, as they will be taken to serve even against their will and even if the numbers don’t really require it. That is what the rally was about. To make everyone aware of the danger. How to address the problem? That remains for each person in Eretz Yisroel to find out what their leader(s) say. We must simply be aware that our brothers (regardless of what kind of yarmulka we or they wear, and regardless what nusach they daven, what Yeshiva they attended, or what color their tzitzis are) are in mortal and spiritual danger.