Anti-Vaxxers

Jews are an insignificant minority of anti-vaxxers, and anti-vaxxers are an insignificant minority of Jews. The stats on the measles vaccine showed that the Orthodox Jewish community had a higher vaccination rate than the national average. Only a very few whackos within the frum community oppose vaccines, and it’s unfair to portray us as providing a fertile environment for such. It’s impossible and unreasonable to expect any community to be completely free of crazy people. Anyone who would be provoked to antisemitism by this is already an antisemite anyway, so we shouldn’t worry about them.

If memory serves, TYW resident anti-vaxxers (nebach) already started declaring their opposition.

We have a large group in this country who doesn’t believe there even is a pandemic. have you seen the images of the protestors for one small example? We have another large group in this country who believes the virus never ever touches a “young” (undefined) and “healthy” (very undefined). If we take these facts, and combine it with the participation rate of other newer vaccines which is actually relatively low (Hepatitis, HPV, and some others I never heard of) , I don’t expect a lot of people will be getting the vaccine. Then there are the other people who might be reasonable and don’t want to be first for a vaccine that was rushed to market.
There’s a lot of people from Maine to California who refuse to cover their mouth and wear a mask. I don’t expect them to get an injection. If they wore a mask, we’d be in a position where I wouldn’t even be forced to get invasive injections. Why is this preferable to a mask? That is my own opinion, however.
America, land of individualism and me me me. Leave the Jews out of it for once. There’s too many others out there.

Vaccines cause lower fertility

“Vaccines cause lower fertility”

That’s really interesting. I would think they increase fertility because they contain aborted fetal cells…

Are you kidding? It is very possible that part of why this punisment came in the first place requiring all of us to keep our kids home for extended periods was due to the lack of outcry against schools that forced children to stay home for extended periods causing them great pain. This is so that those responsible for that and those who did not stand up in protest including me unfortunately can feel the pain themselves. Just because someone chooses not to vaccinate does not give you the right to do that. Our children were never in any more danger due to a child in the class who was unvaccinated- yet folks with no medical knowledge whatsoever chose to torture pure innocent children. And by the way all my children are vaccinated.

“Our children were never in any more danger due to a child in the class who was unvaccinated- yet folks with no medical knowledge whatsoever chose to torture pure innocent children”
That is a nice emotional plea but it’s not based in fact.

Mlhouse, thats the problem with using national statistics. The 2 if the largest measles hot spots,by zip code,were Boro Park and Williamsburg, 2 centers of large Jewish populations.

And your point is? The fact remains that our community’s vaccination rate is higher than the national average, which means we have fewer anti-vaxxers than most communities do. The outbreaks in our communities did not happen because we had a low vaccination rate; they happened despite our rate being high. But maybe if our rate had been even higher they wouldn’t have happened. It’s impossible to know. There is no such thing as 100% safety, but we should try to get as close as we can.

Right. By people documenting vaccines they didn’t have.

SB- your post has a few holes in it, not sure if you are uninformed or having fun. Anti science isn’t the issue. Hanging on to a cause when there is inadequate scientific data to support it isn’t anti science. And herd immunity is about a percentage of a population being immune. When the non immune all reside on top of each other, it disrupts the effectiveness. Measels is also more contagious than most viruses. Calling something science that is based on observations is not really accurate.

“denying climate change”. Ah, yes. What used to be called “global warming” until they could no longer convince people that the world was in fact getting warmer because all their predictions failed . So they changed it to “change”, because of course climates are constantly changing so who could deny it?

This “climate change” hoax is NOT science. It is the very opposite of science. It is witch-doctory, exactly like the anti-vaxx movement. It is all modeling, and we have just had a very graphic demonstration of what happens when you rely on models. We’ve just ruined thousands of lives because of a very wrong model that, if it had been produced by a private company, would have got them sued into bankruptcy.

“Climate change” is a deliberate fraud, perpetrated by a small number of outright con men like Michael Mann and James Hansen, and anyone who still believes in it after all this time is either a fool or a willing accomplice. The motive is to destroy capitalism, which is why every “crisis” that comes along mysteriously has the same solution: more government power and more incursions on individual rights.

Democrats are the anti-science party. They are the party of anti-vaxx, of astrology, of insisting that a man can become a woman by just saying so, of anti-nuclear, anti-fracking, anti-GMO, anti-pesticide, in fact anti-every aspect of human progress, anything that can improve the human lot, because they WANT to reduce us all to squalid misery so we will be dependent on them and give them power to look after us.

I thought Republicans were proud that they were the anti-science party.

Where on earth could you possibly have got that idea? No Republican has EVER said such a thing. You are simply repeating Democrat LIES.

Yes, Dems are the anti-vaxx party. 90% of anti-vaxxers are Dems. Trump is hardly the typical Republican. RFK Jr is absolutely the typical Democrat. The Democrat Party panders to the anti-vaxxers, the astrologists, etc. And how do you not understand what all those other items are? They’re all examples of rejecting science in favor of mysticism and magical thinking.

what very wrong model?

The model of that fraud Neil Ferguson from Imperial College. All the shutdowns around the world were based on that model. Or the model that the Minnesota governor had some students whip up for him in one weekend, on which basis he locked up the whole state. You can read all about it on Power Line.

And no, there is no evidence that “average global temperature” (a meaningless and unmeasurable number) is rising, or that it’s higher than historical levels. Mann, Hansen, and the East Anglia crew have engaged in massive fraud, altering the historical record to make the past seem cooler than it was, so current temps can look hotter in comparison. “Hide the Decline.” That tells us everything we need to know. Read some articles on Watts Up With That.

Dear Milhouse,
Climate change is not a scientific discovery, it is a mathematical one. Is that what you meant? Either way, the study of it has been going on since before you were born. The more data we get, the clearer the picture becomes. It is not a pretty picture. [It does not concern me much.] Do you think the earth is cooling? Why not?

No Republican, ever, has said that the Republicans are an anti-science party, let alone said it proudly. You’re just making that up.

Trump is still not a typical Republican and never will be. Republicans like him because he’s implementing mostly Republican policies, and he’s standing up to the Democrats, but most Republicans are not like him, and his quirks, especially from the past when he was a Democrat, do not reflect on the party.

And “climate change”, formerly “global warming” and before that “the greenhouse effect” is a huge hoax. Again, the amount of exposed fraud is enough to show that the whole thing is a scam. If it were real then its chief proponents wouldn’t be committing all these frauds.

And you asked about the ridiculous modeling goofs. I explained it to you, and informed you that if you want to know about the Minnesota case look at Power Line. If you don’t want to look don’t, but don’t pretend you know anything about the subject.

And no, the hospitals were NOT overwhelmed, not even in NY. The Javits and the Comfort prove that. And in the rest of the country the hospitals and the whole medical sector has been practically destroyed by the stupid restrictions. There was no curve to flatten.

“No Republican, ever, has said that the Republicans are an anti-science party
No not literally in those words.

“Trump is still not a typical Republican and never will be. ….t, do not reflect on the party.”

Semantics. Tes he reflects on your party. you cant elect (and support a candidate and say ” he isnt really one of us”

“And no, the hospitals were NOT overwhelmed, not even in NY.”
they were.

This was discussed on another thread. doctors did not have time to tend to all coding patients. Hence the “mandatory DNRs”
I can tell you first hand I did not have enough dialysis machines for all the patients that needed them I was forced to choose who gets dialysis and who doesn’t (there was simpley not enough machines and nurses for everyone) IT was very overwhelming. Critically ill patients were manged in hallways. You are simply wrong Look at posts from other physicians. I get it if you dont believe me. Look at Ellie Bennet’s post. Ditchek talk to any NYC doctor

you cant just dismiss facts that don’t fit your narrative. This is becoming a pattern with you.
At least with global warming yo u have “evidence” on your side fine so most scientists accept it but some hack blogs disregard it for such erudite reasons as you detailed. I can live with that. . and the side the scientists support is the “anti-science party” got it, makes sense.

but hospitals not being overwhelmed? Trump not reflecting the Republican party
amazing stuff

“And no, the hospitals were NOT overwhelmed, not even in NY. The Javits and the Comfort prove that. And in the rest of the country the hospitals and the whole medical sector has been practically destroyed by the stupid restrictions. There was no curve to flatten.”

What a flat out disgusting lie. Shame on you. Hospitals in NY had beds in every possible place imaginable. Some had to install more piping for oxygen because they were putting critical patients in random places not normally meant for patient care. Several had to bring in refrigerated trucks to store the overwhelming numbers of dead, and trust me, those trucks were full. Speak to someone who actually worked in a healthcare these past few months before you spew idiocy on the internet.

“fix stupid”

Darwin may fix stupid.

“ Speak to someone who actually worked in a healthcare these past few months before you spew idiocy on the internet.”

This is a someone in healthcare, and while there was ahort period of hospitals being stretched a bit, especially those with temporary covid ICUs and in hot zones, the hospital as a whole was not overwhelmed.

The healthcare industry managed this really well and a number if hospitals were way below baseline capacity at all times!

Health: The ended up allowing COVID patients on the ship, even though the original plan was not to. I believe Javits all along accepted COVID patients.

The hospitals certainly became very busy but in New York they never ran out of space and rejected patients like they did in Italy and Spain.

“while there was ahort period of hospitals being stretched a bit, especially those with temporary covid ICUs”

I consider having temporary ICU’s and managing high acuity patient’s in hallways to be overwhelmed. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
I agree that the healthcare system quickly adapted and bh was able to handle the situation. But I am unaware of a single NYC hospital that was “way below baseline capacity at all times!” If you can share the names of these hospitals that would be great.

Dear Milhouse,
Paul Broun (R-GA) was the poster boy for congressional anti-science. In general anti-science appears to be equal across all groups of people. With the current virus, it appears that Democrats are more scientific, while Republicans are more political. Which probably has to do with the current administration. [As well as the other two this century. But nobody remembers their past mistakes anymore.]

Dear Thetruth,
He did not say that it is known. Please do not require him to get to graphic. It is rare, but considered possible. Does this infer that you find the CDC reliable?

no i do not find cdc reliable. however, if one is arguing for vaccinations per the instructions of the cdc, he should not get hypocritical and stick with his sources.

n0m, now I know you’re a troll. In fact you’re a Democrat fraud. Paul Broun is a medical doctor, and is not in any way anti-science. He has not taken one anti-science policy position. But you Democrats are obsessed with evolution, which is your religion. You demand that everyone bow to the ghost of Darwin and acknowledge with their lips and in their hearts that we are descended from monkeys, or else they are heretics. That has nothing to do with science. What a person believes about historical events that either did or didn’t happen thousands of years ago has no effect on any policy, and does not reflect on their attitude to science. On every single policy issue that has to do with science, it is the Democrats who take the mystical position, rejecting all evidence and all rationality. And you are one of them.