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I think this is another nail in the coffin of the US Justice system. Morality is slipping extremely fast!
I despise the mother. Her cruelty, selfishness and lack of feelings about her baby daughter are inhuman. Any normal parent would be beyond frantic while she was missing, and possibly suicidal once the body was discovered, not out partying.
Whatever we might think of this sick woman, I believe that her child’s death was accidental, probably the result of incompetent parenting or the result of trying to put her sleep for a few hours so she would not interfere with her mother’s partying, and when she realized her baby was not breathing, she panicked, called her parents, and Daddy helped her get rid of the body to make it appear she had been kidnapped and murdered. He was a cop, so ghe would know forensically what DNA evidence would not survive a month long decomposition period. But anyone who advised Casey to wait that long to report her baby missing, had rocks for brains. Her behavior during that month, is bizarre, to say the very least, and shameful and unconscionable. It sickens me to my core when I look at that child’s picture. My only hope is that she died quickly and painlessly. They are lucky I was not on that jury or it would have been a mistrial.
Or you can just look at it for what it is,
a tragic story of a neglectful mother, an over-reaching prosecutor after headlines, and a media that was determained to let mob justice prevail.
The state had no business seeking a murder in the first degree charge but because the suspect was caucasian and “middle class” they needed to bare their teeth and show that the law applies “equally” to everyone.
To extrapolate that the entire criminal justice system is now defunct is just another case of crying wolf when it’s not only unnecessary but incredibly counter productive.
Mothers killing their children is present in every society/country, dont use that as evidence that this “treifah medina” that everyone seems to love benefiting from is now totally lawless.
In this instance, the law did what it was supposed to. It protected the mother from an instance of mob justice due to an unpopular verdict.
I think shes guilty however the prosecutions case was not very strong they didnt have any witnesses no confirmed cause of death, and their main point seemed to be she didnt act like a mother would act when their child was missing there was no smoking gun that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty
What about the skeleton in the laundry bag?
anyone see that viseo clip of her crying to her parents. I think she is guilty just by the way she acts and she belongs in a mental home that is for sure.
In this case, justice was served. There was no evidence to warrant a conviction. That being said, American justice is corrupt and broken, with the innocent being convicted and the guilty acquited.
The sad thing is they are calling her the new OJ, when in fact, he committted a clearly heinous act of butchery of two people (if he did it, of course, after all, the glove don’t fit). Casey, if she truly murdered her child, broke every law of decency of G-d and Man, by committing matricide, going against every maternal instinct. That is what is so horrific in this case. It is so incomprehensible to think anyone could murder her own child and then go dancing. I would rather believe she was careless and unknowingly killed her child and then panicked. The prosecution simply did not have the evidence on their side.
ihavent been following teh trial…can someone link me to material i can read on teh subject?
I still dont understand why she is able to talk to her father after what he did to her.
How can someone even be charged on first degree murder without any real evidence? There was no finger prints, no DNA, no witnesses, all there was is a theory that may be true and may not be true. If the jury would FEEL they believe the prosecutions theory (who themselves cant say for sure) she could have got the death penelty!!
Casey did not sit shiva, but that does not make her guilty. Some people cannot cope with personal tragedy and go into denial and act accordingly.
If it was a premeditated murder, Casey certainly would have acted the grieving mother part.
And it doesn’t appear that Casey was that sophisticated to dispose of all physical evidence.
oomis – matricide is killing ones own mother. You mean prolicide or filicide.
I didn’t follow the trial, but my understanding is that the prosecution’s case was based on circumstantial evidence. The gemara in Sanhedrin 57a requires an eyewitness to execute someone for murder, which is what the prosecution was trying to do. The jury may have saved the country from being in violation of one of the Noachide laws.
its so sad even if it happened to a non jew were all humans. her mother is disgusting and i 100% disaagree with the jurors!
It doesnt really completely matter what the end result of the verdict is. True you have to have faith that Hashem will guide the jury. If this is so, perhaps she has some mitigating factors that render her to be innocent of these charges. Had there been a greater wrongdoing, if it is not answered by the courts in our nation, it will most certainly be answered by the courts in heaven. So whatever the case, there will be justice.
Dr Hall,
I don’t believe that eyewitness account is needed for Noachide law. Burden of proof is less for Noachide capital punishment.
oomis – matricide is killing ones own mother. You mean prolicide or filicide.
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On the ball, you are well-named. I of course MEANT the words you quoted. You are 100% correct, and I DROPPED the ball.
MDG is correct; circumstantial evidence is valid for conviction of an Aino-Yehudi.
It is telling that the goyim have a term for every type of killing. Kill your father – patricide; mother – matricide; infanticide; suicide; homicide; prolicide; filicide; etc. etc. (even deicide – to kill their g-d lol).
They are true experts on murder and killing, given their history, unlike Loshon Kodesh they need a word for every form of it that they regularly experience.
Pac-Man,
You can’t be serious.
It’s called adding a prefix to a common suffix. It doesn’t prove anything.
“..but how did she know for sure the child was dead, unless she killed her herself?”
Casey did not testify, so we don’t know anything from her directly.
“Who says?”
Logic says.
“What physical evidence?”
Exactly, a guilty person will leave some type of physical evidence, and there was none.
As I said above, the job of a defense attorney is to place doubt in the minds of the jury. Casey did not perjure herself on the stand; her attorney did a good job and she was found not guilty. Yes, Casey did not act like a Bas Yisroel, but she was not on trial for that.
is she Jewish?
No. As Non-Jewish as they get.
No, she’s not Jewish, so why are we so surprised at the way they conduct themselves? Even with Yidden, many a shiva house is turned into a moshav leitzim.
dont think so but she is a really idiot. i cant deal with justice system here. Rubashkin is sitting and shes free?!?!??!
I’m surprised that this news story filtered into yeshiva world
but anyway here is my 2 cents
she probably is guilty yet the prosecution didn’t give over the case convincing enough, this is a classic case of “if the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit”
and I think this applies to halacha too
If reuvain killed shimon in front of beis din even though reuvain is guilty he can’t be killed
Mod, all I said was that the OJ case was very different since he had loads of physical evidence pointing at him. And that with Casey, all you have is the behavior of a selfish lying lowlife; but that’s not murder.
Another descriptive word that I had for Casey which the Mod kindly deleted was slang for an individual with loose morals.
“A dead body with tape in her mouth”
Listen to the testimony of the medical examiner. There was no duct tape in her mouth. There was duct tape found with the skeleton remains. There was also a plastic bag found with the bones. There was no scientific proof presented at the trial which indicated that she was murdered, only circumstantial speculation, or guessing by the medical examiner. Laboratory testing of the remains produced no scientific evidence of murder. It’s no wonder that the jury acquitted Casey.
And why do you believe that? The facts point to murder. Child’s body found in woods with tape in mouth. Are you basing your decision on your emotions, just like the Jury? ‘
Health, do you know for an absolute certainty thaty the tape was not put on her mouth POST-mortem? Someone could have been trying to make it LOOK like a kidnaping and murder to help her, after she realized her baby was dead and panicked. It is you who are being emotional(I do not blame you one bit, this is just horrific), because the evidence was completely circumstantial and had no DNA on it. We do not know if Caylee was even murdered altogether. It may have been a tragic, tragic preventable accident. NO one knows how she died,except possibly Casey and her lawyer. If she drowned, well, nebbich that happens too often R”L. But if that was the case, her mother might not have been watching her, and personally I feel that IS neglectful, but it is NOT MURDER.
Remember little Lisa Steinberg O”H. Now, SHE was murdered, literally beaten to death.
Casey is a sick, sick woman, a liar about many things, and probably one of the most hated women in America right now. But at the end of the day, we will probably never know exactly what happened to this innocent baby. Some people should not be allowed to be parents. That does not make them killers necessarily.
oomis1105 – read my post, there was no tape in her mouth.
I honestly have no idea if she did it or not. But I do know one thing for sure, the men and women of the jury were in court hearing all the evidence and testimony and we “know” what we heard on the news.
From what I have heard the DA failed to prove the case leaving the jury no choice but to acquit. The standard of a criminal case is “Beyond a reasonable doubt” not “Badmouthed on the TV news” for a reason.
Generally, police testimony is given very little credence unless corroborated by other evidence. But what may occur at times in deliberations which result in contradictory verdicts for various charges, is that some jury members may be in favor of a guilty verdict on the most severe charges and others may want an acquittal on these charges, so an unofficial compromise is reached to convict on lesser charges.
However, all prejudices and preconceived notions are left outside the room. The panel will consider only the evidence before it and will make no assumptions. It is no wonder that many jailed individuals have been released many years after the crime when new technology becomes available to prove their innocence.
We can debate the merits of the case all day, but it’s irrelevant to us. As Yidden, we need to understand the MESSAGE of this case. For me, I find it interesting how she is receiving death threats, and in general, she’s been convicted by the court of opinion, not the court of law. As Jews, we need to understand how quickly this great country of ours could turn on us, too. Even without the law to support it.
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