An Observation on the Way Some Jews Pronounce Words

For the same reason there’s a difference in pronunciation between Yidden from Lita vs Galicia vs Hungary vs Germany vs Italy vs Syria vs Yemen vs Morocco.

Or the differences in the (so-called) “Chasidish havara” vs the Litvish havara vs the Sefardic havara vs the Teimani havara (which is actually closest to what we used at Har Sinai.)

lot11210: It is commonly known and long recognized that the Teimani pronunciation is closest to the original.

Between the Ashkenazic and Sefardic pronunciations there are claims one is better than the other. But even though Ashkenazim came from Eretz Yisroel while Sefardim came from Bovel, it is unknown between those two which is slightly closer to the original.

The Hungaeians have a ‘u’ with two dots on it or two small vertical lines on it a short sound or a long one used by the Oberlander to pronunce the shurik or the vov with a dot in it as the german gruen, green.

One that bugs me this time of year is when yeshivishe people refer to chal hamoed. For every other cholam vowel they love to say “oi”, so how did the intermediate days of pesach and sukkos become chal hamoed?

ujm, I was quoting from memory genetic testing results I read about that looked pretty reasonable – Ashkenazim came from a small community of Jewish men. Sephardim are pretty diverse. This would be, I think, in contradiction with Khazar theory.

does it contradict your mesorah? which part of my statement?
1) diversity of Sepahrdim? depends whon we call S. I fthose who were in Spain, then they might have all come from the same place. But we nowdays call every non-A a S, including Persians, Yemenites
2) small group of first men Ashkenazim? what are other views? Note that there might have been more at the beginning, just not all had surviving einekles

The “few first men” theory is based on the absurdity that a tiny group of Jewish men who married non-Jewish European women begat the tens or hundreds of millions of offspring.

The Maskilem were very makpid with dikduck…look what happened to them!!

Chosid, some words change their meaning if not pronounced correctly, ידמו changes its meaning without a dagesh in the dalet, meaning similar and with a dagesh, silent. כי לא כלו if cholu is pronounced with the stress in the beginning the meaning is the opposite. Your benevolence has not began whereas at the end, did not finish. So do not dismiss dikduk outright because of the maskilim who only cared about it.

RebE >> So do not dismiss dikduk outright because of the maskilim who only cared about it.

A good point. Just because maskilim did something, doe ot men it is wrong..

We were confronted with a new phenomenon of Enlightenment ad we still did not figure out what to do. It takes time.. As R Steinsaltz answered about reasons for Shoah and about halochos of electricity – “we will know better in a couple of hundred years”…. So, we had different responses, some proved unsuccessful despite based intentions, like Moses Mendelssohn. Approaches rejecting all innovations looked more successful in a short term, although those approaches might have led many Jews to try assimilation, Reform, etc [that is usual opinion is that Reform was at fault, but maybe O- attitudes allowed Reform]. We also have long term consequences, such as communities lacking professional education and can’t figure out which side the mask is put on.