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October 20, 2010 10:47 am at 10:47 am #702571anonymisssParticipant
Hakatan,
Sorry, I don’t believe that marriage is an appropriate place for prishus. I have no idea if you’re married, but if you are, ask your rabbi what he thinks about that.
~a~
October 20, 2010 10:51 am at 10:51 am #702572apushatayidParticipanthe looked at her.
October 20, 2010 12:31 pm at 12:31 pm #702573Ben TorahParticipantI think everybody ought to carefully read (*the entire comment*) what Moderator-80 wrote on this thread about Moshe Rose. Moderator-80 is spot on.
October 20, 2010 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #702574bptParticipantJust wait.. the latter parshas of Bereshis have some timely lessons in the male – female relationship.
Lets see how Moshe R deals with THOSE 😉
October 20, 2010 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #702575squeakParticipantI am shocked that my earlier observation didn’t seem to clear up the matter for everyone.
October 20, 2010 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm #702576artchillParticipantmosherose is a troll!
October 20, 2010 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #702577Ben TorahParticipantModerator-80 (and myself) disagrees with you. See his comment on this thread.
October 20, 2010 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #702578yrgMemberI have a few numbers to some very good chosson teachers if you would like, you could use one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 21, 2010 12:56 am at 12:56 am #702579mosheroseMember“Forgive me if I find your current position hypocritical. “
I understand why you wood say that. Es chatoai ani mazcir hayom.
At one time – that was over a year ago – I did think that way. That was before I did some learning and found out how things should be. Now I know beter.
October 21, 2010 12:59 am at 12:59 am #702580mosheroseMember“I guess Sorah became pregnant, exactly how?”
A neis, obviously. Of course it was a neis. How many ninty year old woman do you know who give birth?
October 21, 2010 1:03 am at 1:03 am #702581mosheroseMember“Except that Tznius (in the respect that MR is indicating) doesn’t apply between a husband and a wife.”
Tznius always applys even between husband and wife. Its just that a husband is alowed to see more things than anyone else.
“I’m *allowed* to look at my wife. I’m *allowed* to know that she’s beautiful. “
Yes your technically alowed to look at your wife. I never said it was assur. Dibra torah kneged yetzer hara. But everyone should at least try to take a lesson from Avrohom and Sorah. Not everyone can do it but we should all try to not look at our wifes.
October 21, 2010 2:53 am at 2:53 am #702582mybatMemberYes, mosherose I completly agree. Dont look at your wives! Look at other peoples wives!!!!! (Sarcastic)
October 21, 2010 4:03 am at 4:03 am #702583WIYMembermosherose
If you were born a normal male with normal Teivos, it will be challenging enough to ONLY look at your wife and not at any other woman. That in itself is a HUUUUGE Madreigah, to be able to control your eyes and not look at women on the street, at simchas…..
Theres a famous vort from Reb Zisha of Anipoli, he was overheard in his room, crying and berating himself, he said it in Yiddish but I will put it in English “When you go up to Shomayim Zishe, they arent going to ask you, why werent you a Moshe Rabbeinu, but they are going to ask you why werent you Zisha!”
Mosherose, its not our job to be Avraham Avinu. He came to this world already and did what he was supposed to do. Its our job to now do what we were brought here for.
Go one step at a time. One Madreiga at a time. Always with guidance. Seek guidance from a Rebbe. Dont be a hotshot and do things on your own. You go too fast you will come crashing down.
October 21, 2010 5:24 am at 5:24 am #702586mischiefmakerMembermosherose can you tell us-r u married??!!!! U never answered that.
October 21, 2010 7:43 am at 7:43 am #702587anonymisssParticipant“”Except that Tznius (in the respect that MR is indicating) doesn’t apply between a husband and a wife.”
Tznius always applys even between husband and wife. Its just that a husband is alowed to see more things than anyone else.”
The halachos of tznius between a man and his wife are different than those between a man and another woman who is NOT his wife. Might be a good idea to look into learning those halachos before marriaage.
~a~
October 21, 2010 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #702588Ben TorahParticipantI think the biggest laugh will be when mosherose (whatever his name irl is) unknowingly marries one of his CR critics here!
October 21, 2010 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #702589enlightenedjewMemberMosherose:
“I guess Sorah became pregnant, exactly how?”
“A neis, obviously. Of course it was a neis. How many ninty year old woman do you know who give birth?”
I just had to laugh – you do realize that there are a few billion people in this world that believe this happened to another woman as well???
October 21, 2010 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #702590Ben TorahParticipantenlightenedjew: The first part of your moniker fits you better than the second. How can you compare Sara Imanu to that fornicator?
October 21, 2010 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #702591YW Moderator-80Member“”A neis, obviously. Of course it was a neis. How many ninty year old woman do you know who give birth?””
obviously a virgin birth was NOT implied here.
the poster referred to the neis of giving birth at a very old age, but in the usual manner.
October 21, 2010 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #702592whatrutalkingabtMemberMoshe Rose you didnt come up with an answer to what I wrote on the first page. Stumped you, huh?
October 21, 2010 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #702593squeakParticipantmosherose
Defender of the Faith
I understand why you wood say that. Es chatoai ani mazcir hayom.
At one time – that was over a year ago – I did think that way. That was before I did some learning and found out how things should be. Now I know beter.
You sound like a smart young fellow, so I’m going to answer you seriously. (I can’t believe that artchill got to call you a troll! I’ve been trying for years and getting censored every time).
You say “Es chatoai”, but at the time you had no idea that it was a chet, right? It was only after you “did some learning” and “found out how things should be”. So currently you are more enlightened and learned than 1 year ago. Nothing unusual about that – every good jew should become more knowledgeable with time. I am significantly older than you and I continue to learn and refine my learning.
Which brings us to the crux of the matter. In contrast to many people here (and IRL) you have learned very little. You are too young to claim to have learned enough to be authoritative and you also lack life experience. Youth is no crime, but impetuousness can be. Work on acquiring some humility and realize that the people you are talking to may know a bit more than yourself.
Continue to do more learning. Take it from me (if you will) that in a year from now you might be thinking of your current position and exclaim “Es chatoai ani mazkir hayom”.
All the best.
October 21, 2010 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #702594philosopherParticipantmosherose is just pulling everyone’s leg. I highly doubt he believes what he writes. I believe he enjoys seeing poeple fall for his comments.
mosherose, I think you’re hysterical.
October 21, 2010 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #702595Ben TorahParticipantHe’s been very adamant he is serious many times. And he’s been posting for nearly two years, along the same lines.
October 21, 2010 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #702596philosopherParticipantBen Torah, he’s been posting along these lines for two years?
Oh my, maybe he is for real!
October 21, 2010 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #702597sof davar hakol nishmaMemberMosherose:
“I guess Sorah became pregnant, exactly how?”
“A neis, obviously. Of course it was a neis. How many ninty year old woman do you know who give birth?”
“I just had to laugh – you do realize that there are a few billion people in this world that believe this happened to another woman as well??? “
enlightened Jew, he knows full well what they were getting (hamaivin yavin) and chose to ignore it and answer differently. it’s funny what you wrote didn’t even occur to me
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