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October 25, 2011 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #821054sheinMember
+1 bpt.
October 25, 2011 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #821055HealthParticipantbpt – I base my opinions on Halacha, not on where I learnt or how much. The Halacha is quite clear on morality. Toieva lifestyle is a No- No. Other things – it depends what. “Meaness” is only a “Hezek”. The Torah doesn’t just lump everything into one category like which appears that you want to do!
October 26, 2011 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #821057bptParticipant“I base my opinions on Halacha”
I’ll summarize an often repeated story of a famous Rov, which I think brings this into focus:
From a “halacha” standpoint, you can board a train on Shabbos
From a “halacha” standoint, going to mikvah Shabbos morning presents a whole host of problems.
But the person who goes to mikvah Shabbos morning is an erliche yid, and the person who boards a train on shabbos is a shiy-gatz!
Knowing halacha is one thing. How to correctly apply it to everyday life is another. For that, we turn to our Manhegei Ha’Dor.
So with that said, what do the Rabbonim / Rebbes / Roshei Yeshiva you hold dear think of the antics of DSK and Amanda?
And more importantly, what do they think should be your reaction to people like that?
If you haven’t asked them, you might want to consider it.
October 26, 2011 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #821059YW Moderator-80Memberthis thread is now exclusively about amanda knox
there will be no discussion here of the Jewish boys involved in the Japan incident.
October 26, 2011 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #821060adamsParticipantHOw come we dont consider AK as tinok SHenishba? as it were. If someone grows up in public school environment why we would expect someone to behave any differently than all her peers?
October 26, 2011 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #821061sheinMemberThere is no such thing as tinok shenishba by goyim.
October 26, 2011 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #821062YW Moderator-80Memberthat is why the poster stated: “as it were”
meaning he is aware of the fact that she cannot not be considered one, but was asking if a similar concept might apply here.
October 26, 2011 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #821064sheinMemberAh, thanks. Didn’t get that. I still don’t see how the concept of tinok shenishba could apply to a goy. A goy is a goy. They, as a rule, practice immorality as a lifestyle.
October 26, 2011 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #821065YW Moderator-80Memberthis is also the end of the health-bpt fight which (considering the deleted posts)is getting downright personal and unpleasant
October 26, 2011 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #821066HealthParticipantMod 80 – How about putting up my last post and editing the points you don’t like because I made some important Halacha points? I thought the job of the Mods was to edit, not to erase the whole thing -when parts aren’t up to their discretion?
October 26, 2011 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #821067YW Moderator-80Memberi didnt see anything in that post that should be posted except a few words (like “the” and “to”). i didnt see any Halachic points.
how about you repost it with just the Halachic points.
October 26, 2011 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #821068bptParticipantI’m out.
October 26, 2011 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #821069YW Moderator-80Memberand while you are writing up your post, i would appreciate it if you could also keep your opinions of the function of moderators out of the post as well
October 26, 2011 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #821070HealthParticipantBPT -“From a “halacha” standpoint, you can board a train on Shabbos”
I don’t see how this could possibly be Mutter -you have to use a Metro card to get in – unless you jump the turnstile -which wouldn’t be Mutter either.
“So with that said, what do the Rabbonim / Rebbes / Roshei Yeshiva you hold dear think of the antics of DSK and Amanda?”
I never condoned their behavior -just said you can’t prosecute s/o on things like murder, even when their behavior is not on the up & up. They can only be found guilty on crimes they have committed, not alleged to have committed. I’m sorry that you can’t see my point of view.
October 26, 2011 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #821071sheinMemberI think its pretty obvious bpt was referring to getting on a train without a turnstile or payment.
October 27, 2011 3:11 am at 3:11 am #821075HealthParticipantshein -“I think its pretty obvious bpt was referring to getting on a train without a turnstile or payment.”
Since you are now his spokesman -since when do they have free train service? So no – you can’t get on a train on Shabbos acc. to Halacha!
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