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mw13 – yea, I think I am going to ask. Plus, I am going to ask if its an issur d’oreisa. I dont mind being wrong…
Oomis, your personal emotions about the issue are fascinating; but totally irrelevant to the Halachic framework. We, you see, are orthodox Jews, basing our lives on the cold logic of Halacha. I’m sure you’ll find our conversations fascinating. It’s a whole different way of thinking.
We also asks experts in Jewish, known as Rabbis, when we are in doubt as to how to live our lives and don’t rely on our own gut feelings. It’s interesting, really.
We do this because often we find our emotions are inaccurate relative to the view of authentic Torah Judaism. So we try to find out the truth based on authentic Torah sources, and ask for help when we are in doubt.
if you want to see how far this “small” social gesture can go, and how the goyim have absolutely NO hasaga of what it means to be “hands off” and shomer negia-
my friend was a head counselor in a day camp and they called the police i think to break out color war/something. The police officer immediately extended his hand in greeting, and my friend responded as usual “i’m sorry we don’t shake hands for religious reasons, nothing personal” to which the police officer responded – PATTING HER ON THE SHOULDER, “oh i understand honey…” We have to trust our gedolim, i’ve never heard of any heter whatsoever. Would you also say it’s embarrassing to decline an offer of food that was not kosher? This is Kedushas Yisroel! This is one of the greatest things that keeps us so special, and were trying to find loopholes and compromises???
someone i know once told me a funny story that happened to them. THey were on the bus in E”Y and there was a group of MO kids taking some sort of trip together. (anyone out there MO, don’t take offence there are apparently different levels amongst the MO’s.)One boy asked the girl for her drink and he was about to take a sip, she urgently patted him on the shoulder, “stop, don’t forget to make a bracha” The person observing couldn’t help but ask them “i don’t understand, you make brachos, and your makpid on them but what about a BASIC? what about shomer negia?” to which they responded – “were not makpid on negia” as if it’s a chumra/not so chamur minhag. (there are different levels of minhagim.)You can’t pick and choose in yiddishkeit. We have to abide by EVERYTHING the Shulchan Aruch dictates.
Don’t think i don’t have my fine share of things i have to work on. However, this attitude towards yiddishkeit bothers me terribly.
I honestly do not know. I would hope I could first get the weapon away from the one holding it on me and kill or seriously wound the person threatening my life before he had the chance to kill me for refusing to bow down to his A”Z. But I am not so egotistical as to think that I would do XYZ for sure. I hope I would do the right thing. The question is, what is the right thing in this day and age? Is pretending to bow down to an idol in which you have NO thought that this is god, the same thing as actually serving A”Z chalilah? I don’t know, but this is an intersting shailah to ask my LOR.
Sof, I have heard people say “I’m not makpid on lashon hara.”
And do you want them to give up mitzvot they keep just because they don’t keep something else? If that were the case, I don’t think anyone would be frum.
Do you support a frum man convicted of a crime (that he is guilty of) asking for kosher meals?
maybe al tarbeh sicha comes to teach that when conversing with your wife…try not to interrupt so much and actually listen and hear her out?or maybe al tarbeh sicha means don’t talk so much on your blackberry when you’re im ha’isha in a conversation?i know, i know….but “shiv’im ponim la’torah”….
eclipse, I like the way you think.
Hashem told Avraham Avinu to listen to ALL that his wife says. I think that covers this issue…
and that doesn’t mean saying”I WAS listening!I can even tell you what your last sentence was…you want to know why I still didn’t clean out the garage,right?”(by the way,I don’t have a car or a garage–just giving a common scenario)
MosheRose, Hmmm… Rayim Haahuvim???
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