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Most Yeshivas are part of a kehila, community, etc. Not for-profit business enterprises.

And what are parents who are dirt poor and cannot afford to pay any yeshiva’s tuition, are unable to raise the funds, and work hours or ability preclude home schooling, supposed to do?

Send their Yiddishe kinderlach to free public school?

We all know how Jewish children turn out after public school.

 Edited You correctly acknowledge the laws of economics apply to yeshivos as they do to any other not-for-profit mosdos but then you turn around and assert that there is a “huge perctengage of the community” that earns too little to pay tuitiion”. Which is it?? Both cannot be true at the same time. Instead you call for some magical “mechanism” to bridge the funding gap. What “mechanism” are you talking about?? Should each school impose some type of “wealth tax” on the parents of the more affluent students to provide free tuition to those whoc cannot afford to pay. (Not that many yeshivos already have tuition surcharges that go to their scholarship funds)? If so, how much?? Should the tuition of the rabbonim and moros be cut even further?? Do you know of some big time baalei tzadakah who are ready to come forward with the needed funds? You reject as” ridiculous” the notions of parents scaling their school choices with their ability to pay, groups of parents forming their own home-schooling and tutoring cooperatives geared t affodability etc. What then is your solution? In some cases, it may mean that BOTH parents get a job, possibly hold a second job, or get the job skills to increase their compensation. There are difficult tradeoffs that have to be made and there is no magical fix to the problem as you seen to assert without any support.

Reb Yid In theory the yeshivas are not suppose to charge for teaching Torah studies at all so rejecting students due to their parents inability to pay tuition isn’t in the spirit of Torah law.

Speaking of denying Jewish children a yeshiva education, starting this September students not vaccinated can no longer use a religious exemptions, so they either get vaccinated, get a medical exemption, or they can no longer attend any school in the state. The problem is 4% of Jews are not vaccinated and previously used the religious exemption in order to attend yeshiva. There are about 165,000 yeshiva students making it 6,600 yeshiva students that can no longer attend yeshiva.

Both state and federal law require education be provided for all children age 6-16. NY state law requires that no student may attend school if they are not vaccinated unless they have a medical exemption. In order to get a medical exemption the patient’s immune system must be so deficient that the vaccine would be hazardous. Which if he is that sick he shouldn’t be out in public anyway. Students that are in prison or even developmentally challenged must be provided with an education. It’s therefor logical that these students will also have to be provided an education very similar to special ed students. Where are they going to get the money to pay for this? Especially since none of the school district planed for this when they were making their budget for the new school year.

This will cause problems for yeshivas as they will be losing 6,600 student some of whose parents generously contributed to these yeshivas beside the loss of income from their tuition. At the same time the school district are going to have to provide education for these 6,600 in a non school environment. Which means they have to teach each student separately and not even in the same building as two of them in the same building maybe considered a school. This will be very costly but the state ( school district) MUST provide this education service.

Although it may be a political and legal fantasy, the only “magic” solution to the “missing money” issue for yeshivos accommodating everyone regardless of ability to pay is for the country to give ALL parents a basic “child development credit” which they can use for either private school tuition, enrichment activities and special tutoring if their kids go to public school, or put into a 529 account for their kid’s college tuition.

I do not cut and paste my posts. This country was founded on the principle of FREEDOM OF RELIGION, The First Amendment of the US Constitution grant us this right. But NY State has decided to limit this right by denying religious exemptions which in turn will result in thousands of yeshiva students being denied a yeshiva education.

I realize that there is a bias against those who don’t vaccinate but are they not Jews is there Torah learning worthless and should be treated as human beings

This is the beginning of the eroding of religious rights so eventually you wouldn’t be able to practice your religion as you see fit rather only as the state sees fit.

I also realize that this may not be the forum to express these ideas as the courts will have to decide this question., Which court I don’t know? Whether the court of public opinion, as next year is a presidential election year or the state or federal court.

It is freedom of religion, but for JWs, not Jews.

Where does Rav Moshe Feinstein say that admission cards is stolen money? what chelek in Igros Moshe? what number tshuva?

@AbbaS
Your logic is faulty
The law says the children must be provided an education. It doesn’t say the state has to pay for it if you don’t follow their rules.
NO vaccine, home school at your own expense. The school systems don’t have to provide homebound teachers

Sosha said it best.

Sosha: Huhhh? When determining the amount of tuition parents must provide for their children, a yeshiva factors in all of the charitable donations, grants etc. included in its annual budget. If there are sufficient funds, which there rarely are, then the tuition can be reduced to zero. In the real world, there is some minimum amount they will have to get from ALL parents in order for them to meet their payroll and keep the lights on. Requiring that parents pay that minimum amount is NOT equivalent to stolen money. Indeed, by not requiring them to pay, they would be stealing from teachers who would not be paid on time (since there would be no money in the payroll account) as well as from other parents who are already paying their full share and would be called upon to contribute even more to avoid having the yeshiva close its doors. In simple terms, parents MUST take responsibility to pay for their own children. You just don’t have children and then absolve yourself from supporting them. Assuming the school has done whatever fundraising it can for its scholarship fund, Its then the individual parents’ responsibility to go out and find some baal tzadakah to assist them in paying their tuition or to get a job or a higher paying job or work longer hours so they can afford to pay their bills.

Please don’t misunderstand me. I realize I cut my sentence too short. I did not mean that parents shouldn’t pay at all. I did say subsidize. However, I stand strong on my opinion that schools must let their benefactors know how and on what their money is spent.

Sasha: Most of them do. All yeshivas have an annual budget that should be accessible to anyone making material charitable donations. If a benefactor is denied such information, he/she should suspend their giving until it is provided to them.