What Constitutes Abusing Hatzolah

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  • #597819
    Getzel
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    Whats called the abusing of Hatzolah?

    #784332
    Health
    Participant

    I guess when s/o either abuses Hatzolah or they abuse you.

    Is this a trick question?

    #784333
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    If I understand your question, abusing Hatzolah would be calling them for what you know to be a non-emergency. Calling them for what you thought might be an emergency, but turned out not to be, is not abusing it.

    #784334
    a mamin
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    I would say calling them when you could really go to your own doctor, as in not an emergency!

    #784336
    real-brisker
    Member

    If you use them as a taxi service. {obviously non-emergency)

    #784337
    real-brisker
    Member

    DY – Well said.

    #784338
    abcd2
    Participant

    I think what the thread writer is asking is if you call Hatzala for what probably are non-emergencies on a consistent basis (when in doubt obviously err on side of caution).

    Or if you have an individual with a serious medical need but would be classified as somewhat of a non-emergency. And this individual for whatever reason needs ambulance transport

    For example, a patient that is in no immediate danger, but is prescribed to start I.V. medication for cellulitis. Assuming that the city EMS will take you to your hospital of choice, it does not matter if Hatzala or the city takes you.

    #784339
    adorable
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    I have a neighbor who used to call them for any stupid thing until one of the guys told my mother that they dont even rush to the scene anymore. SAD

    #784340
    oomis
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    It’s the same with 911.

    #784341
    3 As
    Participant

    Abuse is when someone calls Hatzolah to be their local car service; since they don’t have insurance!!

    #784342
    real-brisker
    Member

    3 as – What does inusrance have to do with it?

    #784343
    Getzel
    Participant

    my question is also is the first thing you do when something happens is to call,or wait a minute or 2 to see if they are really needed, and does the hour make a difference

    #784344
    bombmaniac
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    ambulances would charge you…hatzalah doesnt

    #784345
    real-brisker
    Member

    bomb – Well after all it boils down to, is it an emergency or not. If it is an emergency hatzolah should be taken. And if it is not an emergency than even the local ems shouldn’t be taken, a taxi is fine.

    #784346
    Getzel
    Participant

    The question is also is did Hatzolah become speed dial #1 on our phones that any scratch we call

    #784347
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    The whole NY calling hatzala for every scratch attitude is pretty absurd.

    Where I come from, if you break an arm, you drive to the hospital with your other arm. If you need stitches, you drive to the hospital. You call an ambulance when you need care faster than you can get to a hospital yourself.

    When you call Hatzala, you are often taking a father away from his children, a husband away from his wife, a kollel guy away from learning, a person away from his job. Yes, they are happy to come- but don’t do it unless it really is an emergency.

    #784348
    nygal
    Member

    its true some people just takes hatzolah for granted but they dont realize the have a life and a family too

    #784349
    kapusta
    Participant

    3 as – What does inusrance have to do with it?

    If someone doesn’t have insurance to cover a doctors visit, it’s a lot easier to get a free visit from Hatzalah. (They don’t even need to go anywhere.)

    *kapusta*

    #784350
    real-brisker
    Member

    kapusta – I was asking the connection between, car service – and no insurance.

    #784351
    truthsharer
    Member

    I believe some Hatzolahs do bill insurance, when available. In NY they don’t. Billing insurance would certainly cut back on the taxi calls.

    #784352
    TweetTweet
    Participant

    Well said popa. Many don’t realize that Hatzolah members have real lives, and a lot of situations can be handled without calling them. And sometimes people call them and then don’t listen to them when Hatzolah advises them that they should go to the hospital. Also, sometimes people refuse to go to certain hospitals, instead insisting on being brought to a very distant hospital. This is called abusing Hatzolah. If you are calling them, listen to their advice. They are doing a tremendous chesed by dropping everything to help us–the least we could do is make their lives easier.

    #784353

    Yes too many ppl abuse it and it isn’t fair. Calling them to find out stupid medical questions that you can look up or find out from a friend isn’t right. Sometimes when you hurt yourself like a fracture it can be dangerous to move it so I wouldn’t say that’s abusing it. Any hatzalah members here?

    #784354
    hello99
    Participant

    pba: I wouldn’t suggest driving with a broken arm

    #784355
    mewho
    Participant

    I think Hatzolah should charge the insurance.

    Especially upstate. The cost is so huge that the appeals for Shabbos Hatzolah cannot even begin to cover it.

    #784356
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I agree Hatzoloah SHOULD charge insurance. That way less money would need to be raised for it and the money could go to other causes

    #784357
    truthsharer
    Member

    I once asked why they don’t and didn’t get a good answer, at least for NY. In NJ I think it’s a bit trickier because they would have to be part of the 911 system and that would raise lots of problems.

    #784358
    mada-emt
    Member

    I dated a guy who was on Hatzalah and he said that the even though they were sometimes used as a taxi service or a concierge medical service- there were times when people called for what seemed like the stupidest calls, but in the end were life saving.

    #784359
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    The problem with charging the insurance, is that they would have to also charge you the deductible, which is usually a couple hundred buck.

    And they have to really charge, they can’t just send a bill and ignore it.

    #784360
    mewho
    Participant

    the costs to run hatzalah upstate are so out of this world it is scary.

    insurance, gas, equipemnt…it all adds up to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    that much is not raised thru the appeals. insurance has become necessary at this point.

    #784361
    real-brisker
    Member

    Hatzolah does charge insurance.

    #784362
    bezalel
    Participant

    The problem with charging the insurance, is that they would have to also charge you the deductible, which is usually a couple hundred buck. And they have to really charge, they can’t just send a bill and ignore it.

    I don’t think the deductible is that much of an issue because a hospital stay pretty much depletes any deductibles.

    #784363
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I meant the co-pay.

    #784364
    yeshivishHak
    Member

    Poppa,

    To add to what you said, Hatzolah would also be legally required to bill those without ambulance insurance coverage….

    #784365
    mewho
    Participant

    if someone has a 15 or 25 dollar co pay and they would be billed that for having hatzolah transport their family member to the amulance at least hatzolah would be able to collect quite a few hundred dollars from the insurance companies as well. this would relieve a lot of the financial stress that the organization has.

    it would be well worth it in the long run.

    and the co pay cost would probably be similar to the cost of a car service to the hospital in the city.

    #784366
    bezalel
    Participant

    Ambulance copays are generally more expensive than car services.

    #784367
    yungerman1
    Participant

    yeshivishHak Poppa- why do they have to chare everyone? And even if they do, they dont have to deposit the checks or send a second letter or the like. I know of an ambulance company that if the patient doesnt respond the first or second invoice they drop it.

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