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I know a lot of this readership is stuck in the 90s era PC dem mentality. They obviously haven’t been to a college to see the types of radicals that are out there. A vote for a dem is a vote for ANTIFA.
like “duh”
and it took you how long to figure that out?Been saying that for years!
and a vote for GOP is a vote for fascists
gut gezugt!
Welcome to the good guys, glad to have you
UTTER NONSENSE
The Polish Partisans
The French Resistance
The German Underground
The AMERICAN ARMYthese were the true ANTIFA…………….
CTL, if those on your list were the “true” ANTIFA, they all were also the true White Nationalists.
The trump followers have zero reason to show to vote for him.
30 million Americans out of work.
Economy – broke.
Stock Market – tanked.
Over 100,000 Americans dead from COVID19.
Police brutality going strong.
Racism in full force.
American cities are burning with protests and riots.
Trump impeached.
Trump and America – an embarrassment in the world.
Abandoned allies in Mideast.
Relations with China are terrible Still in a tariff war
Wall with mexico ? A total joke.
Only friends trump has are ruthless dictators.
Filled Government with grifters and added thousands to the swamp.
Trump aging and slowing down. Mental capacity diminished .Only tactic is to lie about the democrats view on religion and america and fascism.
It will not work.CTLAWYER, it’s disappointing that you would cloud the issue. While the groups you cite were, indeed, anti-fascist forces, the group today commonly known as ANTIFA (often in all caps, sometimes ‘Antifa’) has nothing to do with WWII forces of freedom. To conflate the two – by saying “these [WWII forces] were the true ANTIFA…” – is, in my judgement, a severe disservice to the former. Today’s ANTIFA are at best practitioners of societal mayhem. The wordplay in your post accords them a shred of decency, which is highly unwarranted.
The trump followers have zero reason to show to vote for him.
30 million Americans out of work.
Economy – broke.
Stock Market – tanked.
Over 100,000 Americans dead from COVID19.
Police brutality going strong.
Racism in full force.
American cities are burning with protests and riots.
Trump impeached.
Trump and America – an embarrassment in the world.
Abandoned allies in Mideast.
Relations with China are terrible Still in a tariff war
Wall with mexico ? A total joke.
Only friends trump has are ruthless dictators.
Filled Government with grifters and added thousands to the swamp.
Trump aging and slowing down. Mental capacity diminished .Only tactic is to lie about the democrats view on religion and america and fascism.
It will not work.CTL, some of the Polish partisans were themselves fascists. They just wanted Poles to be on top and not Germans.
Maybe someone can explain the Title of this post.
Just because 1 says something doesn’t make it true or credible.
It is very disappointing that TYW lets people start posts like this.I assume that 1 can’t even define who antifa is.
How many members do they have?
Where do people sign up to join them ?
Who are their leaders?Jackk: One thing…the other choice is Biden.
I finally understand now that jackk is was and will probably always be a Democrat troll
“I assume that 1 can’t even define who antifa is.”
Why do you assume that? Is it because he is a conservative and therefore must be a moron and racist?
Why don’t you explain who they are and what they believe for all of the conservative people on this forum. Please use simple English because we are all idiots. Please be sure to explain why a group comprised of “mostly socialists, anarchists, and communists” who “openly embrace violence as a justifiable means to that end” should be tolerated in polite society (quotes taken from Vox.com)Jackk,
Coronavirus isn’t trumps fault.
Neither is George Floyd.
Impeachment was a joke.
Mainly just trump is.
Asylum seekers now wait in Mexico.
Boris Johnson. And besides, Who cares.
I don’t believe that to be true.
He definitely has gone over the edge since the beginning of coronavirus but the other choice is the crazy left which isn’t much better.
Democrats view about religion? They think it is a backwards way of thinking. View of America? An American flag was burned in DC last night and nobody said boo.1 posts a post like this and I am the troll ???
LOL.
This post is a continuation of the tens of other troll posts on YWN by people who believe that it is their obligation to raise the republican party to be equal in status to Hashem’s party. (Where do they teach this ?)
It is completely illogical and untruthful.
It has no basis in fact.
(The democratic party also isn’t Hashem’s party by the way.)
I am no longer surprised that after trump showed YOU what the republican party is all about and you still don’t get it. You can close your eyes to all of trump’s faults but nobody else does.He didn’t cause the virus but he FAILED to take action early enough.
He minimized the threat and refused to listen to officials warning him of the pandemic. He gets an F.Biden will be a great President and I can’t wait for his moral and ethical leadership. He is well respected all over the world. His family actually served in the military. He believes in listening to his advisers and is concerned about what science says.
I know your response – blah blah blah -“sleepy” .blah blah blah “harassment”.blah blah blah “ukraine”.blah blah blah “hunter”. A bunch of embarrassingly crazy conspiracies.
bk613,
Chas Veshalom that I would call you idiots or morons. As a frum Jew , I am also socially conservative.
But I reject the adoration of republicans and the demonization of democrats.The answer is because there is no such organization and therefore the title doesn’t even make sense.
As Mark Bray , who wrote a book on antifa, explained. “To explain a little: it’s like calling bird-watching an organization. Yes, there are bird-watching organizations as there are Antifa organizations but neither bird-watching nor antifa is an organization”.“Tolerate” ? What do you mean ?
They should not be allowed to do anything illegal. If they do, they should be thrown out of society like all other criminals.Does trump, and by default his supporters and the GOP, tolerate white supremacists/Nazis ?
Can I start a trolling post that says a vote for trump is a vote for white supremacists/Nazis (those are organizations )? Would you accept that ?
ANTIFA – stands for anti-fascist
Doing My Best,
Coronavirus isn’t trumps fault.
<i> did not say it is </i>
Neither is George Floyd.
Impeachment was a joke.
<i> was very real </i>
Mainly just trump is.
Asylum seekers now wait in Mexico.
<i> does not solve the immigration issue </i>
Boris Johnson. And besides, Who cares.
<i> as an American, we do care about the standing of the US in the world.</i>
I don’t believe that to be true.
<i> is mar o lago still making money? </i>
He definitely has gone over the edge since the beginning of coronavirus but the other choice is the crazy left which isn’t much better.
Democrats view about religion? They think it is a backwards way of thinking.
<i> false</i>
View of America? An American flag was burned in DC last night and nobody said boo.
<i> I guess the SC is anti American because they said that you are allowed to burn the flag and nobody can say boo. Would you want a test before enlisting to determine if you voted for Trump or Biden</i>bk613 -“communists”
Now being a Commy is a Compliment.
Russia & China don’t have Covid19 like the US.
Mainly they don’t have Race Riots.
I assume that the more Freedom you give some people – the more they Demand.
I heard the ’50s was Nice in the US of A.“The answer is because there is no such organization and therefore the title doesn’t even make sense.”
I agree that it’s not a unified group what exactly does that change? There are dozens of local/regional groups all around the world with similar radical beliefs.““Tolerate” ? What do you mean ?” “They should not be allowed to do anything illegal.”
They openly advocate for violence. They wreak havoc, deface and destroy public and private property. They assault private citizens who they feel disagree with them. The left/democrats/mainstream media are reluctant and slow to criticize them, not nearly as quick as they are when they criticize a right wing extremist group.“Does trump, and by default his supporters and the GOP, tolerate white supremacists/Nazis ?”
IMO No. The GOP/right is much better at condemning and removing extremists from their ranks.“Can I start a trolling post that says a vote for trump is a vote for white supremacists/Nazis (those are organizations )? Would you accept that ?”
100%, go right ahead. I’d be shocked if several threads like that don’t already exist.This has nothing to do with political partisanship. Americans are bored. The civil ones protest. The uncouth; riot. The clergy is absent. The vain role models cannot indulge their fans. The sports heros cannot save the day. The entertainers cannot make their groupies ignore reality. The conservatives stick to their own little life. The liberals, pontificate. The Governors are overwhelmed. The President watches television.
No- when you carry on with your list of random hthoughts in a tone implying they are facts, is it because you hope we will believe them to be true, or because you actually do?
Dear Syag,
No. The tone is one of generalization. [Wry expression.] The opinion was only the second sentence. No spots. No theater. No concerts. This was expected. If this would not have been the igniter, there would be some other tinderbox.bk613,
There is no connection between the small groups of people who are antifa and the democratic party.
Please provide examples of antifa openly advocating for violence, wreaking havoc, defacing and destroying public and private property, and assaulting private citizens who they feel disagree with them.
A person committing acts of violence does not automatically make them an antifa member.
Twitter just shutdown a fake antifa account that was really tied to white nationalist.Trump created a false punching bag so that he looks tough to his supporters. Similarly, Trump saying that he will send in the military when nobody asked him is political theater. Walking to a church to take a picture with the bible is beyond outrageous.
They say now that the white natinalist disguised themselves as antifa.
“There is no connection between the small groups of people who are antifa and the democratic party.”
Maybe not directly but they sure are slow to condemn them. (Side question: if ANTIFA isn’t a violent group why are you so adamant that they have no affiliation/support from the democratic party?)“Please provide examples of antifa openly advocating for violence, wreaking havoc, defacing and destroying public and private property, and assaulting private citizens who they feel disagree with them.”
Read Mark Brays interview with Vox, violence is part of their MO no one disputes that. Go through their twitter feeds, while they might not use these platforms to call for violence (the account would get shut down by twitter if they did) they certainly don’t make it a secret which side they support. Read the ADL’s entry on the group. These are not peaceful people. They are anarchists who believe in using violence to get what they want.“A person committing acts of violence does not automatically make them an antifa member.”
I agree, many people currently rioting are thugs affiliated with other groups, or no group at all. Whats your point.“Twitter just shutdown a fake antifa account that was really tied to white nationalist.”
There is no shortage of ANTIFA accounts on social media. If you think all of them are fake then I can’t help you.“Trump created a false punching bag so that he looks tough to his supporters. Similarly, Trump saying that he will send in the military when nobody asked him is political theater.”
Trump is hardly the first politician to engage in political theater. It’s part of the job get over it.“Walking to a church to take a picture with the bible is beyond outrageous.”
Why is it beyond outrageous? He was visited a historic church that was vandalized and set on fire by rioters. Political stunt, sure, but again, Trump isn’t the first and won’t be the last politician to do something like this.Anyone who thinks there’s’ something wrong with the President going about the capital, getting a view of the destruction, and (gasp!) holding a Bible, has something very seriously wrong with them. In Jackk’s case the explanation is obvious: Soros Yimach Shemo is paying him.
They say now that the white natinalist disguised themselves as antifa.
Who is this “they”? Nobody but Soros’s paid liars, which I am now convinced include this “jackk” and probably “n0m”, though he may be a volunteer. White nationalists practically don’t exist. They number a few hundred in the whole country, maybe 1000. Whereas antifa are open and everywhere, number at least 10,000, and anyone who pretends not to know who they are is not honest. They are the same people as the Black Bloc who wrecked Seattle, Toronto, and many other cities. They are the same people who have been running rampant in Portland with the open connivance and approval of the mayor, who has ordered the police not to interfere with their criminal sprees while arresting anyone who confronts them.
And “Someone from Monsey”, I have news for you, they are not a new thing. There were antifa groups in the 1930s, and they were the exact same thugs as their successors today. They were the “anti-fascists” who attacked and beat up the fascists in the Battle of Cable Street. The fascists may have got what was coming to them, but they were in the right and their antifa attackers were in the wrong — just as in Charlottesville.
Also anyone who accuses Trump of racism, antisemitism, or of pandering to racists and antisemites, let alone to “white nationalists”, is a deliberate knowing liar, because Trump has never done any such thing These are the same people who pretend that the Charlottesville riot was neo-nazis attacking innocent people, rather than what happened, which was vicious antifa and other anarchist and communist thugs attacking people who had come for a peaceful and lawful rally for a legitimate cause, some of whom happened to also be racists, “white nationalists”, and other undesirable and violent people.
And some of whom anticipated that this might happen, and came ready to defend themselves, which they did with gusto, not only against their attackers but also against those “good people” who came to peacefully support and provide cover for the attackers. We can do those people the courtesy of calling them “good”, even though they were assembled illegally and giving tactical and moral support to vicious thugs, but not if they deny that there were plenty of genuinely good people on the other side, who came to oppose removing the statutes and had nothing to do with the thugs.
Please calm down the name calling and personal attacks.
Oh, and Keith X Ellison, the antisemite, former Farrakhan acolyte, cop-shooting-supporter who has taken over the prosecution of the Minneapolis cop, OPENLY SUPPORTS antifa. So does his worthless son, who is on the Minneapolis city council. And thy are the face of the Democratic Party. Ellison senior was only a few votes short of being the DNC chair, and would have been had the Jews not risen up in protest.
Anyone who has been paying attention knows that Joe Biden is not an Antifa supporter. Antifa isn’t a real organization, and isn’t really political — it is just a bunch of thugs who like to riot. I am more worried about the Trump supporters flying swastika and confederate flags who take over state houses with semiautomatic rifles, and Trump himself ordering the gassing of peaceful protesters and seizing control of a church. As should everyone here.
“Does trump, and by default his supporters and the GOP, tolerate white supremacists/Nazis ?”
Obviously, but the folks here who support him have other agendas than the safety of America and the Jewish people. Trump described the Charlottesville Nazis as “very fine people” and the armed thugs with confederate flags and swastikas who took over the Michigan State House as “very good people”. Trump doesn’t just tolerate them, he supports them. He supported the notorious Steve King, who finally lost a primary last night. And he supported Paul Nehlen, an actual Nazi, in a congressional primary against Paul Ryan.
“Also anyone who accuses Trump of racism, antisemitism, or of pandering to racists and antisemites, let alone to “white nationalists”, is a deliberate knowing liar”
Anyone who denies that is a deliberate knowing liar. I already explained the Charlottesville and Michigan support. But Trump has himself spouted more anti-Semitic memes than any President in history. They are in fact almost exactly the same as the garbage that Ilhan Omar spouts, but somehow many of the same people who (correctly) blast Omar for her anti-Semitism give Trump a pass.
The good news is that it looks like Trump is going to lose to Biden, a good person who is a centrist, a friend of Jews and a friend to Israel. and the Democrats will probably take back the Senate as well. Biden also has Jewish grandchildren although unlike Trump he refuses to politicize that; Biden himself is Roman Catholic. Everyone should watch Biden’s speech from yesterday. It is the kind of speech that Presidents should make. And he didn’t have to illegally gas peaceful protestors or illegally seize a church.
Yes, charlie, we should. Had it actually hapoened we probably would.
“Antifa isn’t a real organization, and isn’t really political — it is just a bunch of thugs who like to riot.”
How are they not political? They are anarchists and communists who believe in using violence to get what they want. Do you dispute that?“Obviously, but the folks here who support him have other agendas than the safety of America and the Jewish people.”
What exactly is the agenda?“Biden also has Jewish grandchildren although unlike Trump he refuses to politicize that”
Has Biden been repeatedly accused of being a bigot an Anti-Semite like Trump has been?Short of dropping dead of a massive heart attack will Trump ever be able do anything you approve of?
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Who they? ABC News
Twitter removes account of white nationalist group posing as antifa online
The move comes as disinformation spreads online amid protests and unrest.
By
Josh Margolin
and
Catherine Thorbecke
June 2, 2020, 5:27 PM“Twitter removes account of white nationalist group posing as antifa online”
Yes they removed an account. But there is no shortage of accounts on twitter and they make it very clear what they believe. Are they all really white supremacist groups trying to spread misinformation about ANTIFA?
could we also learn from thise that a vote for Republicans is a vote for David Duke and Steve King
Dear Bk,
This is not about Trump. Antifa groups rose out of the original anti Nazi groups in punk rock. It is really odd how this is getting thrown around here (of all places!), as a political debate. It was a struggle over who should direct the belligerence at music venues 40 years ago. The strategies of coping with violence has carried over to extreme groups of the right and the left. Neither one cares for your vote.I supported Trump giving permits for the oil and gas pipelines. I supported moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. I supported banning travel to North Korea.
But given his vile racism, his anti-Semitic memes, his corruption, his abuses of power, is running roughshod over the law, and his licentiousness, that is like praising Mussolini for getting Italy’s trains to run on time.
It is a Chilul Hashem that even a single Jew supports the rasha. Sadly we do not learn from history — Mussolini had a lot of Jewish support.
I would not go so far as to associate all Republicans with the horrible Duke and King. National Republicans universally disassociated themselves from Duke, although Louisiana Republicans did embrace him. And while the National Republicans were quite happy to accommodate King’s bigotry for 16 years, he finally became too embarrassing even for the Trump Republicans and he just lost his primary.
There is an interesting contrast to a 1980 congressional race in which KKK leader Tom Metzger won a plurality victory in a Democratic primary for a Republican held congressional seat in the San Diego area by 318 votes. Democratic leaders from the county to the national level all denounced Metzger the day after the primary. The conservative Republican incumbent, Clair Burgener, won 86% of the vote, setting the record for the most votes ever won by any congressional candidate in history. Metzger is still alive today, spreading hate at every opportunity. In 2016, when Trump was running for president, he wrote, “I do not support Donald Trump, but I do support the CHAOS he brings in his wake.”
@Charlie Hall, I look at Trumps Kitchen Cabinet and at Bidens advisors and its a no brainer, its who you surround yourself with and Biden people are all J Street types
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