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Tisha B’Av is coming up and its customary to read the Story of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza
Aries, great post
Aries, thank you for your reasoned input.
Observanteen, whether or not to use goyish music to attain closeness to Hashem is a matter of opinion. It is not a black and white issue and is definitely not something that should automatically be banned from the CR. If one can truly acheive such a thing in a Kosher fashion than I think even you would agree that it is not just ok but it is a very good thing to do. The machlokes here is whether it is possible to have Kosher goyish music. You are a teenager and most of the goyish music you know of is probably more contemporary which makes it less likely to be Kosher. Gedolim of the past have listened to goyish music. There is goyish music out there that might be completely Kosher according to popa_bar_abbas interpretation. Like I said, it is not an obviously bad thing and therefore it is a matter that is fit for discussion in the CR. If people started posting examples of actual vulgar lyrics that wouldn’t make it through but to discuss the concept is fine in my opinion. I hope I have explained this to your satisfaction.
Tzitz Eliezer 13:12
In terms of the other issues you had, namely TV and movies. I wasn’t following those discussions so closely but the way I understood it was a way of understanding who our fellow CRers are. Although we all call ourselves Yeshivish or at least we consider ourselves the type to frequent a Yeshivish site, there are still many amoung us who do or have been involved with TV or movies. It is a nisayon that some people have and the concept is something that can be discussed in the CR. To start discussing specific shows or scenes might not be appropriate for the CR but to discuss in general whether or not we watch and the hashkafos behind it is a different story.
If you are going to say that this is Yeshiva World and therefore TV should automatically be given a blanket issur then with that line of thinking Internet should be in the same boat and the site shouldn’t exist at all. The very existence of this site and the fact that we all read it shows that these issues are not black and white and are something to be discussed.
Aries
loved it
m42
Perhaps you can succinctly explain why it’s ok to do name calling in the name of a “joke” when it is not only not allowed, it’s very juvenile. R Pam would cringe if he read about himself that he would “laugh” at the name calling one hurls indiscriminately to whomever. It’s like being in kindergarten with these threads of the same “theme.” Several posters were upset, one to the point of needing meds, and yet these posts continue to go through.
Many posters here have a sense of humor.
Name calling is not humorous.
It’s infantile.
And the ambiance of the CR is changing.
Awaiting your sage response.
Ayc, perhaps you are correct. In today’s generation everything is laitzanus. After each of the tragedies of the past few weeks I have heard jokes made about the situation. People try to justify it by saying they are making fun of the rasha who committed the crime but the whole lifestyle of laitzanus leads to such things as people calling each other dolts for no reason. They think it’s funny. Whether it is funny or not seems to be a matter of opinion.
The incense offered in the Temple had 11 ingredients. One was galbanum which has a foul odor. This teaches that even the non observant have to be included in the service of G-d.
If we are more inclusive in the coffee-room, the services will be more inclusive as those not yet observant will feel more welcome.
They will then come to see the beauty of Shabbos and stop texting on Shabbos, and partake of Shabbos related pleasures instead. With greater unity and observance the Temple will be rebuilt.
Aries, let me echo the sentiments of other posters and say – nice post!
Actually you do not focus on such details at first unless needed.
What you do not do is convince them that they are already doomed as some of the more zealous statements in the threads would imply.
Because then they will simply give up completely on Shabbos and Judaism.
For the more learned, knowing what is Biblical and what is rabbinic is part of the beauty of Shabbos.
For the more learned, knowing what is Biblical and what is rabbinic is part of the beauty of Shabbos.
For what reason?
observanteen, what should be allowed in this forum?
“what is Biblical and what is rabbinic”
Such information can be obtained by anyone in the USA by ordering English language books from Mesorah or Feldheim.
“For the more learned, knowing what is Biblical and what is rabbinic is part of the beauty of Shabbos.”
That’s very nice to discuss with your chavrusa. But to put it on a public forum where anyone can read it is inapropriate.
Totally incorrect, as I pointed out earlier in the thread.
Discussing Torah by definition is L’Hagdilo, and by definition serves a purpose (As per the Pesukim of at the end of Shemini, discussing worms is Torah, and that is part of the purpose).
observanteen: From your post earlier, it seems like this is your “first contact” with the outside world. I’m normally not the sort to suggest that you go back into your hole in the ground (or other defensive system). However, in this case, that really may be what is best for you and your Yiddishkeit, as you don’t seem prepared for the “outside”, even from other frum Yidden.
Others (I think DHM) have mentioned that the difference between Charaidi & not is that Charadim ignore the outside and try to not expose to anything outside, and not try to prepare for the outside. It is very difficult to be outside if you have not been prepared. Think of it as a cold day. Some parents keep their children indoors, and others send them to play in the snow with a warm coat. If a child wants to go outside but doesn’t have that coat, they will be cold, CV.
I wish you only the best, Simchos & Bracha.
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