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  • July 16, 2014 3:14 am at 3:14 am #613220
    Randomex
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    What does you think about the concert that’s been announced for 7/25? This is really getting out of hand.

    July 17, 2014 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #1024155
    IvduEsHashemBsimcha
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    I don’t know which concert you are referring to, but I agree that concerts now, even a Capella, are not appropriate.

    There is the letter of the law, and there is the spirit of the law.

    July 20, 2014 6:15 am at 6:15 am #1024156
    YW Moderator-42
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    A cappela concerts are against both the letter and spirit of the law.

    Actually, according to the letter of the law, all concerts should be assur all the time since the churban, not just during the 3 weeks.

    July 20, 2014 9:12 am at 9:12 am #1024157
    Randomex
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    This was trolling (please don’t ban me). There will, of course, be no a cappella concerts during the 3 Weeks).

    Mod-42, where’s the law that prohibits concerts, etc.? And how is it that the gedolim don’t speak out against the concerts that happen every Chol haMoed (or are they not a problem on Chol haMoed), and the singing performances by women/girls whenever?

    July 21, 2014 7:14 am at 7:14 am #1024158
    YW Moderator-42
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    Read through the Rambam, Shulchan Aruch, etc. You will see that any heter to listen to music is not pashut, even year-round and certainly during the 3 weeks. Obviously, a seudas mitzvah such as a wedding or even a chol hamoed seuda would be different.

    The a capela that they have nowadays is also very not pashut.

    People seem to take for granted that concerts during Chol HaMoed Pesach are muttar but there are actually those who would assur it due to the fact that it is during sefira…

    I’m not saying that you should follow every chumra in the book but it is important to understand that some of the psakim we have are kullas, not necessarily lechatchila, and are often misinterpreted and taken too far.

    July 21, 2014 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #1024159
    👑RebYidd23
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    A concert is less problematic than recorded a capella.

    July 21, 2014 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #1024160
    Sam2
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    42: Meh. If you hold by the minority opinion that it’s only Assur Al HaYayin (which is probably the best Limud Z’chus for the Minhag HaOlam; either that or saying that everyone falls under the Rama’s Heter nowadays because music isn’t as reserved for royalty/gentry as it used to be), then a concert shouldn’t be a problem.

    R’ Schachter says that if you count Chol HaMoed Pesach as part of S’firah, then you have to treat it like S’firah.

    And Pashtus is that RebYidd is correct, at least according to the Shevet HaLevi.

    July 21, 2014 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #1024161
    Sam2
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    Then again, I would also not be able to have Taanos on anyone who gave a Heter for limited (even non-a capella) concerts in certain places in E”Y this year, even during the 9 days.

    July 23, 2014 8:35 am at 8:35 am #1024162
    Randomex
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    (Sorry about the paragraph formatting – I wrote this in Notepad.)

    Mod42:

    Read through the Rambam, Shulchan Aruch, etc.

    Just a little more specific, if you wouldn’t mind. 🙂 Seriously, when people ask for a source, “the Talmud,” etc., is not what they mean.

    (The quote I use below was taken from a sefer that deals

    specifically with the Three Weeks. I wasn’t trolling when I asked.)

    Also, why have concerts been attacked more than the general Jewish music industry?

    As for gedolim not speaking out, I’ll answer myself with “gezeira she’ain rov ha’tzibbur yecholin

    la’amod bo,” or at least “k’shem she’hu mitzvah lomar devarim she’nishmain…”

    RebYidd23:

    A concert is less problematic than recorded a capella.

    Sam2:

    Pashtus is that RebYidd is correct, at least according to the Shevet HaLevi.

    I found this interesting.

    Rav Wosner (translation mine) [Chelek 8, Siman 127, Se’if Katan 2 ]:

    I have already clarified that a tape is a musical instrument, […] and my opinion is that

    even if the tape was made with oral song it becomes instrumental music [lit. a musical

    instrument].

    Presumably we must interpret “tape” [tes-ayin-yud-peh] as “speakers” (medium-specificity

    is certainly not intended, and a tape is incapable of independently producing sound).

    But then, shouldn’t anything that comes out of speakers ([or off a tape]) be considered

    music, seeing as it is being produced by a musical instrument? One would have to argue

    that non-musical sounds can also be produced by instruments, e.g. by banging on a violin,

    playing a single extended note with one, or playing ten piano keys at random time intervals.

    Still, would this mean that any sound pleasant to the ear, such as some speaking voices,

    would be music? One must come up with criteria by which to declare something “music”.

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