5t vs Teaneck- what’s better?

pick whichever has less pritzus

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This topic came up before do a cr search for it

UJM there’s been a right shift recently within the younger generation in Teaneck; a new HS opened up to accommodate an evolving demographic; at davening one can find even some bochurim wearing white shirts and hats and jackets. The difference is most of Teaneck is YU and only half of five towns is YU. Teaneck is less shmaltzy than 5 towns. You won’t find a restaurant opened past 10, though it’s a close drive to Monsey and NYC. 5 towns has more options for yeshivas and schools depending on what type of family you are.

You can understand the area based on the feed. 5T was an oasis from Canarsie and the rest of Long Island. Teaneck cleaned out North Jersey, Washington Heights and what was left of the Bronx. There are real Chassidishe Rebbes in 5T and Riverdale with all the trimmings, not so in Teaneck.

I believe the Kiruv professionals and Kiruv Yeshivas should put a greater emphasis on outreach towards Modern Orthodox Jews, who are much more likely these days to be receptive than completely secular Jews. The secular Jews from the 1960s and 1970s are much further away today from any semblance of Yiddishkeit than back then. It is far harder, and much less successful, to reach them nowadays than back then.

Even though many MOs will not be receptive, indeed perhaps a majority even would not, there’s still enough of a minority, whatever the numbers may be, to work with. Much like in previous decades perhaps only 1 in 8 or 1 in 10 secular Jews approached by people doing Kiruv were responsive, that 1 in whatever the percent is, is a jumping board towards making Jews more observant.

Ujm, the average MO person is almost as distant from yiddishkeit as a conservative jew from the 70s

I’ve been living in the 5T for the past 21 years and I’m ready to get out. There is too much development going on, with large buildings planned, and the level of gaiva is ridiculous. Middos are lacking too. I’m not saying Teaneck is better but the 5T, in my mind, is done.

In 5 towns, the kashrus is on a higher level than Teaneck. The RCBC has a lot of shortcomings that the Vaad of 5 towns does not in policies and implementation of those policies.

dovrosenbaum, I don’t know that your claim is true. Besides, not every place in 5 Towns has the Vaad as its hechsher. Wasn’t there a big fight, where a number of stores claimed the Vaad was basically a mafia organization, and another hechsher was started?
The RCBC is a very reliable hechsher, which can definitely be relied upon. I know that my rebbe, R’ Bender, trusts it. He once asked me who the Rabbonim on the RCBC are, and he told me they are definitely reliable. He also asked me for recommendations on what to order at a restaurant in Teaneck!

Marxist:

I grew up in Kew Gardens Hills, lived there until I was 35. I’ve had enough of that place too.

35+21=56.

Florida is your place.

“The scariest post of the year so far, maybe as intended…“

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Louie took care of everything

@takeh, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

Let’s not make it that VH5T is the gold standard and RCBC is treif.

Only in the %Towns will you find a MO girl who is the mashgiach at an eatery. Does that happen in Teaneck too?!?

Yes. In Teaneck you have Modern Orthodox kids as mashgichim, waiters or cashiers trusted as the designated shomer shabbos.

The Mehadrin hashgacha is a good hechsher. It’s run by top notch poskim. They didn’t weaken any standards.

You wouldn’t know it was Aseres yimai teshuva the way people are badmouuthing all MO

Do you have some fact based evidence to say he is wrong or is this part of your standard “defend MO even if they are nichshol because it’s better than being chareidi” push.

It is absolutely false that you should not ask professionals for actual inside information. Do you ask your plumber to help you choose your wardrobe?

“you don’t ask a plumber about choosing another plumber, or a storeowner about other stores that they compete against. ”

It is clear you are unaware of what it means to be in hashgocha

“It is just a gratuitous slur towards a large group of Yidden”

That is only true when Avirah uses it. In some cases it references people who do not abide by many of what they consider chumrot but don’t always have Halachic authority to back it. I am not talking about those who do, but some are literally just lax in mitzvos and halachos that they have deemed extraneous (yes, by their own admission) and should not be allowed to be mashgichim. You will defend them with your life and call them victims simply because you abhor the concept of them being insulted, without even bothering to find out if it is actually warranted. You seem to be willing to be lax in kashrus just to be stubborn instead of researching and being careful.

Yes, yes, yes there are chareidim who are also unqualified but I am talking about you defending something on stubborn ego instead legit halacha.

You, sir, are acting as the bigot you abhor and seem more worried about defending the unknown teen than the standards of kashrus.

> seem more worried about defending the unknown teen than …

thanks for stressing this laudable aspect of my personality. “Unknown” seems like a diminutive, but it is not:

First, motzi shem ra about group of people is worse than about one person and requires a difficult and imperfect teshuva. For example, the poster might build water fountains in the towns where this group of people live (is this suggestion by Chofetz Chaim, or an earlier one, I am not
sure?).

Second (unique for online discussions rather than private motzi shem ra) – very likely someone working in such a job might be reading CR and be offended by it.

“Halochos of competing businessmen should apply to mashgihim same way as to plumbers, lawyers, or teachers. I do not see a difference here, if there is some, please enlighten me. ”

Again, you don’t understand how hashgocha works. Go look into it yourself. I have never had success enlightening you about anything.