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    ☕️coffee addict
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    We all know גלגולים have a תפקיד to fulfill my question is if someone is a גלגול does the עבירות that he has in his current life count if he fulfilled his תפקיד like for example ראובן owes money to שמעון so they both come down to rectify it but until they rectify it ראובן is מחלל שבת or eats treif, does he now have to come back again? Does he get a short stay in גיהנם?

    How does it all work?

    #2322919
    Sam Klein
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    Seforim say that due to your reason of people accidentally sinning new sins while coming back as a gilgul to solve an issue from a previous life, most people in the world today are gilgulim.

    In regard to every person having a tafkid to accomplish in this temporary physical world. For some people it takes a full 120 years to accomplish their mission and others I personally know have left the world as infants as early as weeks to months old cause maybe their only mission in life was to bring happiness to the world due to in their previous life they gave someone pain so they needed to return to this temporary physical world to give happiness to their new family or others just for a short time and Hashem chooses who their family should be based on many things including only a family that can handle the test of faith of chas Vshalom losing an infant child so young. Cause in truth we all are sent to this temporary physical world to be tested by Hashem and each test you pass brings you closer to Hashem and also immediately brings you to the next test ex. As soon as you finish the test of faith of finding a shidduch you immediately start working on the tests of having children and Shalom bayis tests etc…..

    #2323055
    2qwerty
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    Yes the averos count, thats part of the risk of coming back here. He may even end up worse than before ch”v. But i think nowadays people are more aware of such things and usually end up better. And i think the only way the גיהנם will be a shorter stay is if he suffers here.

    #2323348

    I have heard that even CR has some gilgulim appearing under a different user name, trying to accomplish what they could not before.

    #2324069
    Happy new year
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    אין בן דוד בא עד שיכלו כל הנשמות שבגוף שנאמר: רוח מלפני יעטוף ונשמות אני עשיתי

    This directly contradicts the later concept of gilgulim, if understood literally.
    Chazal clearly held (according to this pasuk) that each person is a new Neshama that needs to come before Ben David.
    One of the purposes of having so many children, is to bring down all the remaining Neshamos.
    Any gilgulim at all, if understood literally, would be against Chazal (besides for having no basis in Torah or Chazal)

    Some people try to reconcile this by interpreting gilgulim as being a “bechina”, some connection, but not literal. (like a candle being lit by another flame)

    #2324172
    Reb Eliezer
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    It could be after all gilgulim.

    #2324173
    Reb Eliezer
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    It says Baruch atah bevoacha without sin. Maybe one still has to correct one’s previous life to go to gilgul even though it was forgiven after that.

    #2324234
    Menachem Shmei
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    Happy New Year,

    Many rishonim have opposed the concept of gilgulim and brought Chazal to support their stance.

    Zohar, Arizal, and the major kabbalists support the idea of gilgulim.

    The latter has been supported by the major gedolim of the recent centuries from the various Jewish circles, including chassidish, litvish and sfardi.

    #2324382
    mdd1
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    Happy New year, what are you saying? It does not say that once all the neshomos are out of the guf, Moshiach must come right away. It says he can not come earlier.

    #2324383
    mdd1
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    And it is not a posuk — rather, a ma’amar Chazal.

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