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Taking a test on Friday on YD 98-109, with the exclusion of 106, 107, and ????. Does anyone have any questions or food for thought?
Suppose you buy a used machine that holds a beer keg. You do not know if it was used for flavored beer which may have been issur. There are pipelines which the beer flows through and may have sat for more than 24 hours.
May you lechatchila use this for your beer?
The ma’areches hashulchan sometimes gets the halacha wrong, as can be seen by looking at the pri megadim and the machatzis hashekel.
What topic is that?
Sure. Is one assur to mix to foods for thought, or is only cooking (debating…ranting) them together forbidden.
If a non-jew says he made your food treif out of hate to we believe him?
Fleishig oven ben yomo.
Fleishig cookie sheet not ben yomo.
Biscuits made with butter.
What (if anything) needs to be kashered and how?
Are the biscuits treif?
Correct answer gets a biscuit, kosher or not.
yitayningwut: Are you sure it is not Shach(118:38) who brings the Shuvulei Haleket?
Yes, you get a biscuit.
(Real shaylah, asked to real talmid chochom who happened to be lactose intolerant and had to turn down the plate of cookies I wanted to give him after the psak.)
if i ask you a shaila and i follw your answer, but the answer turns out to be wrong, was i considered a maizid or a shogeg? what happens if the above scenario happens this coming shabbos- is there any difference? 🙂 good luck!
If some basmati rice mixed in with your matza farfel on pesach, can you have a sefardi taste it and see if it’s nosein ta’am?
If a mouse falls in your cholent pot, do we say it’s nosein ta’am leshevach?
You have 3 identical pieces of meat, 1 is treif. Can you eat all 3 because batul berov?
Ok, so firstly, I don’t know that we pasken like that taz. Specifically, the shach in 98:13 says that kevisha is bolea b’kulo.
I thought of some more tzedadim to be meikel, when this came up. What do you think? Meanwhile, I’ll try to remember them.
I like the second one. I think we thought of that. It is simple beautiful answer, that it not able to come to issur because you never use it except for kavush.
I didn’t think of the first one, but who knows, maybe.
How about this: The whole piping is only a few feet of plastic tubing, so the entire volume of the tubing will be batul in the huge keg of beer, so it is darko to use bshufi?
Do we care that at the end of the keg it will not be batul anymore?
I think we may have had even more tzdadim.
Isn’t it a sfek sfeka of a d’rabbanan? Safek flavored beer which is safek treif?
Pardon my ignorance, I don’t know taaruvos.
As far as 24 hours, yes, it does sit for 24 hours.
Here is the metziyus. You have a big barrel of beer which is pressurized. You attach the tubing to a port on the top, and open the port, allowing the beer to flow through the tubing until it is stopped by the valve at the end of the spigot. When you want to pour beer, you open the spigot and the beer is forced out.
I imagine the entire body of beer being connected to itself within the tubing and barrel.
And you are correct about the answer to itche’s sfek sfeika. It is all one safek.
Is beer made with isinglass good?
Your friend mixes 1 drop of lard into your kosher canola oil and says it makes it taste better and he did you a favor. Can you use the oil?
What are the 4 cases the shach allows something where nitosef issur? What are the added 2 cases of raavad and issur veheter?
What yummy creature is known as the achbera dedavra?
What ruins a chaticha hareuya lehiskabed acc to the pre migadim and pri chadash?
What’s the machlokes issur veheter and shach about chaticha hareuya lehiskabed?
Can you throw out hot pizza into a garbage with fleishigs?
If you put cheese on top of pork and fried it, were you over ishul basar bechalav?
2 hours after eating meat you take a piece of milchig candy and make a bracha on it. now what?
Sunday in July, at a bris. Somebody is about to have a bagel with cream cheese and lox, and his father says “we don’t do that”. Why?
OJ with omega 3 contains fish oil. Can one drink this with meat?
Any flavored beer is a safek treif. Correct?
You have a safek that maybe there was flavored beer in the tube. Correct?
I still see two sfekos.
Jothar: Fish and meat (or fish and dairy) is not in the Simanim that Yitay is asking us to ask about as far as I know.
see pischei tshuva 99 5
Is 60 needed against worms?
Hatzlacha on the test (maybe the Mods will change your subtitle from college sheigetz to college Rav
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I see Itche’s point. You cannot manipulate the Safek to avoid the flavored aspect. Only once you establish that it is flavored do you start wondering if the flavor was Treif. In the green bottle example, it is possible to be Treif in any color.
Jothar: You would take a small bite of the dairy so as not to have a Bracha Levatala and then you do not eat more. (I believe Rav Schachter quotes that from R’ Akiva Eiger but if it’s within the first hour you can’t eat it. He quotes from the Zohar that within one hour is a real Issur D’Rabannan but after that is just a minhag and the Minhag can’t force you to make a Bracha Levatala.)
Yes, you can throw the hot pizza out.
No, The Issur of Bishul Basar B’chalav only applies to Basar Beheima Tehora Bechalav. There is a Machlokes Haposkim about Neveilah Utreifa. But Beheima Temei’ah everyone agrees is Muttar to cook Bechalav and Muttar Behana’ah. (There is also no Issur of Basar Bechalav if you would eat it but it’s obviously Assur because you ate pork.)
Yitayingwut- Regarding Kevisha- Where is the Taz you quoted? I remember kevisha assuring.
Jothar- I second your comment on the Maareches Hashulchan, although it is useful at times.
If you put cheese on top of pork and fried it, were you over ishul basar bechalav?- No. You are allowed to do that. YD 87:3
2 hours after eating meat you take a piece of milchig candy and make a bracha on it. now what?- I believe we say to lick the candy or take a small bite. (Not sure if you are allowed to swallow)
Sunday in July, at a bris. Somebody is about to have a bagel with cream cheese and lox, and his father says “we don’t do that”. Why?- Based on a possible Taus Sofer brought by Shach and Taz in YD 87:3.
Sam2, if the garbage can has fleishigs, throwing the pizza out could be bishul basar bechalav which is assur even if you do not eat it.
yitayningwut, one of the meforshim there says specifically that the achbera dedavra is the squirrel. Rashi says so as well.
yungerman1, even tho the drop should be battul, in this case we don’t allow bitul lechatchila and it’s assur for you. In addition, if he says it adds flavor it could be avidi letaama, although this area is a bit grey- in metzius it shouldn’t add a noticeable taste. This is similar to the machlokes about sherry casks in liquor.
Here’s a common one. You buy 100% canola oil in the store without a reliable hechsher. not a drop of lard is in there in metzius, and yet halachically it’s treif. Why?
Why would carmine coloring be or not be a problem?
Most kosher candies are covered in the secretion of the lac bug, aka shellac aka confectioners’ glaze. Why would this be allowed?
I used a milichige (metal) potato masher to mash my potatoes which were boiled in a plastic fleishig bowl. the potatoes had onions in it but the onions were marinated, so they were not sharp tasting anymore. What is the state of the potato masher, food, and bowl? What if the onions were raw and sharp?
Jothar: It’s not Derech Bishul, it’s not on the fire, and there’s no Kli Rishon. There is no Issur of Bishul Basar B’Chalav in that case.
How is that Bittul Lechatchila? Assuming there is no taste you should say “Ein Adam Oser Es Davar She’aino Shelo”, shouldn’t you?
It’s Halachically Treif (I assume) because you have no one being Me’id that it’s Kosher. Maybe if there was strict FDA enforcement on 100% canola oil (I have no idea if there is) and rules about the way it’s processed, etc. then you could consider the packaging saying 100% canola oil as being Mesiach Lefi Tumo and it would be Kosher?
Why is Avid Lechazusa not Nikar Ha’issur?
Sam2, according to the pri megadim bishul basar bechalav is even by roasting (check his hakdama to basar bechalav). Pizza can be considered a kli rishon as it’s a davar gush. In practice, most food we throw out isn’t hot enough to be an issue, but it’s something to be aware of. Bishul basar bechalav even without intention to eat is a major problem with biofuels from recycled restaurant oils.
As for the lard in oil roommate,
befeirush in shulchan aruch- it’s assur for the person who did it bemeizid and the person for whom he did it. He did it for you. I’m avoiding the issue if a drop is avidi letaamah and therefore not batul be’elef, as there are many who say similar tastes can’t be avidi letaamah.
As for the oil, it’s based on “steam jackets”- pipes filled with water vapor of a product used to heat another product. Factories use them all the time to save heating costs. In this case, the same factory made lard, and the pipes were filled with water vapor from lard, making the pipes treif and therefore the product they were heating treif. No water vapor gets in the product, product is pure canola oil, and still treif. Steam jackets are one of the most common kashrus problems in factories and hotels.
3 large pieces of steak, 1 is treif. When would we allow this despite chaticha harauya lehiskabed?
Bonus basar bechalav issue- it is assur to be mevatel issur lechatchila. basar and chalav are kosher until treif. Can you purposely dilute 1 part milk in 61 parts water, and then use that water with meat?
Jothar- Oops! I forgot about hamivatel bishvilo. Thank you.
Regarding Pizza- I have heard this shaila raised in E”Y and it was permitted. You are not doing anything by throwing the pizza in the garbage. Its not likely that its still yad soledes, its not derech bishul etc… The shaila would be when the garbage is incinerated that you have real bishul; but the Poskim were matir anyway
yitayningwut- I am refering to the general rule with all keilim. We never say the kli is shishim times the contents. (The reverse may be possible with a wide pot) However, with a kli ???? ?????? ???? you still may be allowed to use it.
Ovens- I cant recall ever hearing of anything of this sort. Can you please explain the logic behind it?
Ragachovers Assistant & yitayningwut-
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What I have heard l’maase is that the first couple of times we can be meikil, but after that we would consider it a kli rishon.
Jothar: I would say that unless you hold like the Chochmas Adam (who says there is no Bittul by Heter B’heter) then it should be okay. At the time you do the Bittul you are not being Mevatel any Issur.
Carmine- the piskei teshuva brings down befeirush that it is permitted. However, the pri megadim says chazusa belo taama milsa hi.
Based on this, most modern kashrus agencies do not allow carmine.Used to be a problem with some cranberry juices.
Shellac- not real chazusa, batul berov. Rabbi Blemenkrantz was not happy with this kulah being universally accepted, but without it it’s hard to make good candy.
The question is by the lard, neicha bei means that neicha it tastes better or neicha bey an issur was done. I actually forgot what we say here. forgot about that taz about fat tho, thanks. I heard the same thing about a rice with milk in the flavor packet mixture cooked in a fleishigs pot- the milk was avidi letaami but no real taste so batul as less than shishim.
correct about the Rav Akiva eiger, although the magen avraham by pesach implies this is not allowed by chometz- not sure where it was in my cllalei issur veheter cheat sefer.
Steam jackets directly pipe in heat from other parts of factories. Serious kashrus concern based on the steam treifing the pipes.
Mods, please let this link thru:
Gilyon Maharsha (8) brings the Shach (84:30) saying that worms are not disgusting and 60 is needed against them.The Taz(84:15) does argue and holds they are disgusting.
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