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I am trying to locate a teshuva from ?’ ????? ?????? about ??? ???? ?????, It also briefly discussed ??? ???? ?????.
if any one knows where it is . or can help me find it, i would be very makir tov.
BTW – would u have any idea why rabbi wosner says in todays days the din might be more chamoor?
Maybe since fish oil supplements became common, with the fish oil encapsulated but not mixed with anything, he’s ???? that it’s become ???? ?????.
DaasYochid: you have an uncanny ability to find virtually everything in Hebrewbooks! or maybe you are just that more proficient with the computer than me! (not very difficult, I am practically illiterate in computer skills)
Thanks for showing the source! BTW- I wonder how one fits that psak in with the so-called “kula-ization’ of yiddishkeit….
Rabbiofberlin, thank you for the compliment.
As far as your second point, I will make the precise point I was trying to make about fruits and vegetable; when the metzius changes, the halacha must be evaluated anew. When new infestation is discovered, the old methods of inspection and washing may become irrelevant, and possibly, when an item recently becomes commonly eaten, the old status of “shelo k’derech achilah” changes.
The halacha didn’t change, nor did our approach to halacha change; its application to a particular item changed.
DaasYochid: must be off to mincha and I don’t want to start that debate again. i fully agree with you about the change in “metzius”. However, I have not seen anyone argue that the fruits and vegetabales are MORE infested now than before….
DY: That being said, I still don’t understand how the fact that more people take fish supplements should force us to reevaluate how we apply the din of derech achila to pills. Could you explain, or point me to a canonical definition of derech achila that would cover it?
rob: I don’t think anyone worth listening to is arguing that. They are arguing that different vegetables are infested than before, or that we are eating different vegetables than before and therefore have to reevaluate what is muchzak b’tolaim and what isn’t. A good place to start is ??? ???? ????? which lays out definitions of muchzak b’tolaim, miut hamatzui, nir’eh l’anayim and so on. (I’ve been avoiding the bug wars here because I don’t have my own copy to look things up in and I haven’t done hilchos tolaim yet).
IS, the Shevet Haleivi is going according to the Mishnah L’melech and Noda Bi’Yehuda that swallowing without chewing is still considered derech achilah. The fish oil is still not derech achilah, because it’s not a substance consumed on its own.
If fish oil became a substance which is consumed on its own, then although according to the Toras Chaim’s definition of shelo k’derech achilasan it would still be muttar to swallow it as a pill, but would become assur according to the ML”M and NB”Y.
I am not sure if he is only m’supak if it changed l’issur because he’s not sure that it’s common enough to be considered k’derech achilasan, because he’s not sure that even according to the ML”M the proliferation of swallowing pills makes something as a pill makes it kd”a, or because he’s not sure how to pasken in that machlokes.
You’re welcome. They followed me here when I posted on this thread.
DY: Thank you. I might add another safek whether even if swallowing without chewing might be derech achila according to ml’m, it wouldn’t be if the thing being swallowed is never “eaten” any other way and is not eaten for nourishment in any case. After all, we’re talking about something that is essentially refua and the question is the description of how the refua is administered. AFAIK Rav Moshe, Rav Tendler, Rav Asher Weiss and many others pasken that swallowing something not meant to be chewed is not derech achila (the determination being talui in the pill as well as how it’s taken) but I don’t claim to know anything at all about medical halacha.
I think that’s the same as my second possibility, which was supposed to read: “because he’s not sure that even according to the ML”M, the proliferation of swallowing something as a pill makes it kd”a”.
I’m not sure if you’re asking about gelatin capsules in general (he is mattir), or fish oil capsules (at worst, he says “yitochen” that it changed for the worse).
Lovaza undergoes a process called esterification, so that might be a consideration, but more importantly, its purpose is to lower cholesterol, so if it is the most effective medication available, for a particular patient, it might be a situation of pikuach nefesh.
In short, it’s not a question for the CR, but for a posek mumcheh.
I don’t know what he holds about pills, but the yitochein seems to address plain fish oil.
Halocha or circumstance?
The capsule itself is probably gelatin based.
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