Joseph
“Everything I explained above is taught to little children in Cheder, …”
this is simply not true.
די האסט פארגעסען אז איך האב געלערנט אין חדר און איך האב קיינמאל נישט געהערט אזעלעכע שטותים
And I asked others who never heard of such a thing either. (of course its possibel you were taught that, but it certainly isnt taught in the average chadarim)
BTW why did R” chaninya Ben Teradyon ask that the wet sponges be removed? I guess he doesnt like Olam haba as much as you.
DY
How have you been? Its been a while
“Nusach Ashkenaz doesn’t have that phrase.”
Yep Ive since caught that (it isnt in the Gemara the teflal comes form either)
Joseph, what nusach do you daven?
“Dying al kiddush Hashem doesn’t require a nisayon or even a misah meshunah”
Of course not!
I’m not sure if you read through the thread though or just my post so you can argue.
Joseph said “We all should hope that we, like Rabi Akiva wished for himself, when our time to leave this world arrives we should be killed al kiddush Hashem.”
This involves both a misa meshunah (scraping flesh with iron combs would widely be considered a misa meshuna by any definition I can think of) and a nisayon too.