14 Responses

1. So it is being non-discriminatory, that good, right????

2. I would imagine that they have published a new bus schedule pamphlet announcing these changes. Go to the ‘Central Station’ and get the information. My goodness, any change in the capital is time for turbulance and anxiety. CHILL OUT…
   This summer Israel has had unprecedented hot weather, the heat & settlement freeze is causing anxiety for the people.

3. flatbusher:

   The changes in Har Nof are tremendous and drastic. They’ve cut the routes to Geulah in half, and cut out almost all of Har Nof from any bus going to Machane Yehuda.

   They’re offering–with two buses–lines to places nobody ever goes, like Gilo, or chilloni shopping districts like Talpiot, instead.

   Poor, sick, and aged people living on Chai Taib and the end of Shaulzon will have to change buses just to buy cheap vegetables.

   Buses that used to leave Har Nof three times an hour almost full of passengers have been cut out completely.

   It’s quite insulting for you to admonish us that Egged would not make changes to provide worse service. That is exactly what they are doing. Egged and the chilloni mayor of this city are working directly against the interests of the charedim in every possible way. If it happened in the US the ADL would be screaming about it.

4. number 4 said it just right not just for har nof but for ramot, Sanhereiah , Serotzken.

   P.s i geuss every one one has free time (and money ) to go to the ‘Central Station’ to pick up the new maps.

5. For Givat Shaul, it’s worse also.

   Line 11 is being cancelled completely. The replacements, 64 and 67, will go to Bar Ilan. There will be no bus to the shuk at all. Just to get from Givat Shaul to the shuk, we’ll either have to walk to Yemin Avot (Angel) to take the 74 or 75, or change buses at Binyanei HaUma.

6. #4 – so it looks like the article was wrong —
   There might be some advantages to having a more robust private sector within the frum community rather than letting politicians make decisions for Eged

7. Don’t worry this will all soon be sorted out.

   A few riots, two or three buses set on fire and destroyed, another million shekels of damage to city property and the city and Egged will back down.

   That is the way things are done in Israel.

8. As a resident who is negatively affected by these changes, I would like to point out to all you chutznik’s who have the audacity to think you know better than those of us who live here. (On this issue and on other issues that effect the residents in Eretz Yisroel.) This change is directed at making the lives of those in the frum neighborhoods difficult.
   For example, school aged children from the tzafon and givat shaul who learn in har nof now need to take 2 buses changing in the central bus station and other undesirable locations. Not to mention to arrive in yeshiva on time they need now to leave their homes 30 minutes earlier in the morning at least.
   The decision that half of har nof doesn’t need to get to the Kosel is not aimed at the religious. (#2 bus doesn’t traverse the upper portion of Har nof on the new lines)
   Stating that the bus lines are Express lines (mahir) for the convenience of the riders, but refusing to let let the buses enter the nieghborhoods – 20+ minute walk for many, is not aimed at the religious. (For Har nof & Ramat Shlomo the buses only reach the MASOF of the schechunah)
   #3 I’ll “say it like it is”. Springing the changes on people the week school starts (most chadarim started today/yesterday & Yeshivos Hakedoshosos started on Thursday) and telling us to chill, are the regular ridiculous remarks expected from akuperna & flatbusher. Many people have been up last night borrowing friend Internet to try figuring out connections for their kids. (Egged website).
   Avreich Man – chazak u’boruch for explaining the situation in exacting & precise terms.

9. Avreimi:

   Another egregious insult. As if the Jerusalem Jews are just trouble makers.

   This is a disaster and a frontal attack on our lives. Should we just not buy vegetables any more, and stop visiting our relatives on Yechezkiel, and move our children out of the better schools there?

   How would you like it if the mayor of New York took away your car and made you walk?

   While violence is wrong, and nobody is contemplating it, the time of an outrageous attack on the lives of hundreds of thousands of very kosher Jews is not the time to run around clapping hands making fun of them.

   Really.

10. #8- Do you know of a better way that works in Israel?

11. Love your cute satire tone, Neve Aliza.

12. #4- you said that “They’re offering–with two buses–lines to places nobody ever goes, like Gilo, or chilloni shopping districts like Talpiot, instead.”
    I will have to say that people do go to these places and it makes sense. They want to boost their commercial sector so they increase bus service to these places.
    Why does everything they do turn into “a frontal attack” (as said by #10 and others)??? So people need to change buses… the people who lived in the areas that these buses now serve had to change buses in the past.

13. #12- It seems you have internet so why dont you just go to the egged site (link is above) to see the new maps…. You dont have to go into the Central Bus Station (not going to try to transliterate that) to find out. Just use your computer… you have internet already.

    In New York you have to switch trains and buses to get to many frum areas.
    Boycott if you want, but dont force me to do it as well. If you dont like the fact that the drivers are not frum, then maybe use a frum taxi service to get your kids to school. They are doing you a favor- the country is not required to have a bus for you, in the manner you like, at your convenience.

14. #1,2,3,8 especially and 12
    Your comments are–how shall I say this?–without foundation, they come from a lack of knowledge of the situation, and also lack rachmanes. Are you our brothers and sisters in chutz? If so, I think I want a different family.Please do not give me a lot of shtuyot about New York. I come from New York.
    Egged:
    1)does not have route maps at stops, unlike for example Dan bus company and the NYC Transit Authority
    2)has some kind of bizarre planning mechanism where it apparently does not consult anyone, must have planners who are out to lunch, and certainly does not consider statistics, travel patterns, heavy traffic hours etc.
    3)Call-in route information services are very primitive and have a very badly run data base.
    4)No announcement capacity with microphone on buses for immediate crises and therefore route changes–on the fly–, of which there are always many in Jerusalem, such as rerouting because of a bigwig visit or other event
    5)Website only in the past few months has had anything comprehensible in English
    6)Maps until recently not updated online
    7)CBS’– which is not the most convenient place for many Jerusalemites– supply of route schedules runs out and is not replaced timely
    8)and I have not even discussed the driving, about which there is an Israeli joke which is actually quite accurate, but suffice it to say that on some routes one gets a Coney Island ride without paying extra
    9)These changes affect many Jerusalemites, not just haredim or frum; people are already reeling from all the bus changes because of the two-year light rail project which has torn up Jaffa Street, a main thoroughfare, as well as provided an opportunity for the template Pali tractor terrorist; the current rerouting that cuts out Mechane Yehuda, the shuk, is really a serious economic problem for many.
    So enough of your lip; if you have anything constructive to say, say it.