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GAW- i cant explain your friends’ affluence, but you are a bit uninformed about the correlation of education to higher earnings over here. the truth is, anyone getting paid a salary ie, not an entrepreneur, is grossly underpaid for the services they provide. i can tel you that one of the highest paying jobs is in fact a cleaning lady. yes, that is correct. an ozeret can make 40-50 nis an hour. i know a woman who went to school to work in a niche field of heart sonography. she went to a hospital to look for a job. they offered her 35 nis. it may be true that in america the degrees that earn (hopefully) 100k+ take several years to complete while here it can take only 2 or three, but the discrepancy in pay is staggering. a secretary here makes 25 nis. on todays rate that makes less then seven dollars an hour. i undersatnd you think this isnt true, but you are not here, and the poster above is. so am i. the fact that certain fields are saturated by chareidi women is unfortunate, but its ridiculous to imply that it is their fault for getting a degree in a field that can comply with the needs and spiritual requirements of a frum family. your point about the army is well taken. not because of why you said so, though. in israel, its all about who you know, not what you know. the guy who was in your unit may be the official you need a favor from or a permit issued by down the line. thats hardly a just reason to forc chareidim to serve. bikitzur, i dont want to be harsh, but you are just another american observing from overseas, judging a situation you are hardly immersed in.