nisht: i must say I laughed at your comments! please forgive an old geezer for mistypes! BTW-Sam2 wrote the same way
Sam2- my plain question was that ifit such an “issur chomur”, a different understanding could not be accepted. You are absolutely right in what you wrote about ‘derech chibah” but this was my point, that “negiah” per se is not “jeiharog ve’al jaavor”.it depends upon the circumstances.