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yichusdik
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It might do for some meilitzei hevel here to study actual history, primary sources, and base opinion on fact, rather than select, twist, or ignore facts based upon opinion – no matter how “holy” the source.

If you think the “Zionists” are intent on your spiritual destruction and replacement as their raison d’etre, you assume they have been asleep for 110 years or so, since the last ideologue who cared about your spiritual predilections wrote his last screed against you.

You who lash out at chilonim and religious zionists think way too much of yourselves. The secular don’t WANT to think about you. They would much rather be thinking about their business, or their wife or their wayward kid, or their next vacation. They don’t care what you do in your home or your beis medrash as long as it doesn’t infringe upon their rights and freedoms, and as long as you take up some simulacrum of the civic responsibilities they have been doing.

They don’t ideologically care what you study, they don’t ideologically care what you eat, they don’t ideologically care how many children you have. They do care about their civic rights and the responsibilities of all citizens. If you impinge on one and ignore the other, they will respond – at the ballot box, in the courts, and in the knesset, as you have seen. But deep down, it is pure and simple gaiva to think that Joe Secular from Cholon is more ideologically interested in destroying your spiritual life than in enhancing his own – spiritually, materially, or however he likes.

Who do you think you are you self appointed spokesmen, some characters in a Dubno Magid Moshol, giving a black and white object lesson in morality as the Magid did so well? That di andere is the devil and within the machne all are angels? That power, or the lack of it, now, in government, has NOTHING to do with the geshraai we hear from the chareidi street?

In only one way are the Zionists comparable to the Nazis. The Nazis didn’t discriminate between Orthodox and Reform, between chasidishe and litvishe, between ungarishe and galitzianer. Their plans applied to us all. The Medinah takes in all – from the Ethiopian and the Kavkazi you have written off, to the surfer dude from California you ignore, to the Baalei Tshuva from London you smile at, but whose kids you would never let marry your own.

The saddest part of this whole discussion is this. The great majority of the chareidi community does not agree with many of the fundamentalist rants of spokesmen like those here, or others we hear from. The vast majority are ohavei yisroel, are people who can see reality in front of their face, who would give the clothes off their back for their fellow Jew, even one in an IDF uniform. They visit the sick and injured, regardless of whether they are frum. They understand that economic realities will catch up with them, sooner or later. They know that halocho doesn’t demand that women sit at the back of the bus, they understand im ein kemach ein Torah, they want to live in harmony with all of their neighbors.

But they are too scared of what the implications are for their communal life, for shiduchim, for friendships, for being allowed aliyos or the omud in their shuls, for the ostracism of self appointed guardians of morality, to speak up.

What a shame.