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Just Emes:
Regarding the Moetzes, I read that the Brisker Rov was not at all in favor of having a moetzes, for a number of reasons. Wasn’t he the one that said a line about how the secretarin will be calling the shots? He certainly did not agree with that decision to condone the State, and neither did Rav Aharon and others who were there.
Regarding that meeting, the ones who opposed those Torah giants felt that “it is possible to agree, according to the laws of the Torah, to the establishment of a Jewish state in its portion of the land of Israel without denying the belief in the coming of the redeemer. There is no need to be concerned that the non-religious will chase, through the Jewish state, the religion.”
They were very, very wrong about that last line. As the Brisker Rov said, the Zionists need a state to shmad, not that they shmad for their State. In hindsight, this is pashut. The shmad they have perpetrated is ayom viNora and still ongoing. So, given the benefit of history, it is highly unlikely that they would have voted as they did if they would have known.
As for hakaras haTov, mitzrayim is not at all an appropriate comparison. The Zionists are (nominally) Jews. Should they not let Jews practice their faith? Every civilized nation allows this. How is this worthy of Hakaras haTov?
As for protecting Jews, I really don’t want to get started listing the myriad things they have done to endanger and worse, CH”V, Jews. So the pathetic amount of protection that their mandatory draft shmad army and American anti-missile system which they know is not fully effective pales in comparison to what they’ve done to Jews. In Mitzrayim, we came to their land and they hosted us, despite the many terrible things they did to us. BiNidon diDan, the Zionists came to Eretz Yisrael and made a terrible churban. There is no comparison.
In reality, a better analogue would be an arsonist who, after setting a complex of buildings on fire and the fire rages powerfully, then runs to his little fire truck. That is, lichaora, the extent of the hakaras haTov due Zionists.