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Just Emes
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I was not going to share this but i will – i personally asked Hagaon Harav Yisrael Eliyahu Weintraub TZK”L known as one of the greatest mekubalim of the entire generation (from Bnei Brak) – about whether or not it was muttar/allowed to create a state (By the way Rav Weintraub was totally against zionist ideology-see his sefarim)-he responded to the effect that the Satmar Rav tzk’l held it was a problem and Rav Moshe tzk’l- did not. Upon hearing this about R’ Moshe ( who was considered even by other Gedolim as the Posek and Gadol Hador)- i asked where this information about Rav Moshe originated as i never heard or saw that anywhere- and he responded – because i asked Rav Moshe myself. So if we are going to have this converation – while we have great gedolim such as Rav Elchanon Rav Kotler Satmar Rav and others opposing creation of a state even if frum – we have other great gedolim like Rav Moshe and the majority of the Moetzes Gedolei Hatorah of the Agudah in 1937( of which Rav Kotler and Rav Elchanon were members)holding that it is not a problem. So much so- that the moetzes voted in favor of state if frum and with Torah borders. They obviously held that the 3 oaths were not a problem – and potentially for a variety of reasons- but most likely because the creation of state was not a problem if given permission by the nations- thereby not being a problem of yimridu ba’umos (rebelling against the nations) and not yaalu bi’choma (going up en masse/force)to EY. Many learn that since Rashi says there in kesuvos that yaalu bichoma is yad chazaka it only means by force is a problem but to go up bi’shalom is muttar ( see Rav Yechezkel Abramski -Vayigash on this ). Also the argument that since the arabs dont like it- doesnt matter – because it wasnt their land to give- it was the British who passed it to the UN of which the Arab Nations were binding members who then voted by the majority (rov) that it was ok – so even regarding the arabs no issue because they signed on to the UN rules which allowed the state. Also, following the declaration of state in Tel Aviv – the arabs wanted to kill the jews but in order to defent their lives they fought and it the process received more of their original land – and now once its ours- its ours.

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