You know, I really enjoy the intellectual stimulation of a rational, if heated, debate. It’s a shame that this thread has degraded into petty insults.
GAW:
“So when you are Mevaze “Rabbi” Saul Lieberman, you have no Chelek? It is nice to spout terms without knowing the consequences of your thoughts, in your haste to support “the Gedolim”.”
I did not make up the concept of hamevazeh talmeidai chachomim, ein lahem chelek li’olam haba; the Gemara (brought down li’halacha by the Rambam) did. The fact that this does not apply to Saul Lieberman hardly disproves the entire idea.
“The Charaidi education system is so poor that while the Rav Kook Chardal sector of Israel has no problem with the Army, the Charaidim would all go off the Derech if they joined.”
Actually, the Charaidim just won’t rely on the vast majority of the heterim that the D”L will.
mdd:
“KND, you did not answer anything of substance — you said it’s a zechus.”
No I didn’t. I said that the Lapid/Bennet plan is a geziras shmad because its stated goal is to decrease the amount Torah learning. The purpose of a gezira is what classifies it as shmad, not the means.
ROB:
“so, you agree to the outlandish accusations that have been mande such as: this a “terrible gezeira”, “the destruction of torah”. “dragging yeshiba bochurim from the beth hamedrash”, “jaharog ve’al jaavor’ and more.”
I never said that. (Although now that you bring it up: One and three, yes; two, somewhat; four, no.) All did was point out that it isn’t just Chareidim who are “so over thw top that they are discriting themselves!!”; a point which you keep proving.
GAW:
“The askanim are so scared that their funds will be cut off that they will say ANYTHING to rally others to their cause. Don’t blame Kanoi, he is just parroting what the “askonim” have said that the “Gedolim” would want him to say.”
ROB:
“Sadly, you have pointed out the real reason for all this huffing and puffing: money. Enough said.”
Actually, I’m just saying what I honestly believe to be the truth. Is it so hard to accept that somebody just honestly disagrees with you? Why do you have to assume the worst and sink to such disparagement?